Phases of Play in Badminton?

[Site Support]

A quick request for all the coaches and knowledgeable forumites out there.

In tennis the game can be split into five main phases of play. These are:

When serving
When returning
At the back
At the net
Passing and Lobbing

This is known as game based play and is a little more up to date than the traditional forehand shot/backhand shot type coaching.

Can badminton be split in a similar way? If so what would the phases be called? If not, what phases could it be split up so that it could also be based on game play rather than on individual 'shots'.

Thanks in advance,
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[JoeWright]

This is normally on Badmintology but I'm updating it at the moment:

Lost
Defending
Neutral
Attacking
Won

The object is to advance to 'Won' and not to retreat to 'Lost'.

Joe

[Site Support]

Thanks Joe...

Are these accepted phases by standard coaches or are they particular to 'Badmintonology' and the people who developed the Badmintonology theory?

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[Phil McBride]

I think the problem with the game of tennis is that there are a lot less variations of shots compared to badminton.

I would have thought:

Serving
Base
Attacking
Defending

There is nothing that does not fall into one of these categories.

[JoeWright]

There are generalised concepts of defending and attacking which we at Badmintology have extended and cleaned up.

Most people will know what you mean by attacking and defending without understanding the formal definitions. Neutral should be added as it addresses the periods of play such as drives and forecourt net play where there can be moments of no one at an advantage.

The serve can be added as a special case phase although (depending on the type of serve) could be attributed to neutral (low serve) or defensive (high serve).

Also, these definitions can mean slightly different things depending on the standard of play.

I must get on with reworking and re-uploaded the game theory content on Badmintology because it covers so much.

Joe

[JoeWright]

Oh, 'base' position is something different and relates to another set of phases which cycle:

Shot execution
Recovery and positioning
Preparation

This is a bit beyond what your typical coach will know, its just a Badmintology thing for the moment.

Joe

[Phil McBride]

I am talking about basic level coaches (which I include myself)

We all know about serving, it is how we start => after serve comes base.

Irrespective of what shot we select (attack/Defend) we always try to achieve a base either in a correct or incorrect position

Of course there are shots which can fall into both categories of attack and defence but in essence we all move from one shot to another by a base and it is one of the most reinforced things in badminton as it sets us up to play the next shot.

It is by my perspective a defanition phrase.

I use the 4 most basic ones which put it simply, all other phrases can come under the topics of those listed. I see where you are coming from but simplification is the key for the level of coaching we are talking about here, and the level of player allbeit junior or adult.

Serve = starting the game
Base = neutral position from a shot or to a shot
Defending = hitting the shuttle up
Attacking = hitting the shuttle down

[JoeWright]

The problem with simplification is when it becomes confused and/or incorrect.

Base position is a concept in the 'shot execution'-'recovery and position'-'preparation' cycle with base position somewhat involved in 'recovery and position'.

The attacking/neutral/defending definitions are a separate concept referring to the shot types. The three phases will place demands on the first cycle outlined but are conceptual separate.


Regards
Joe
www.topracket.com/Badmintology

[rhombus]

Here's my take on phases of play in Badminton

PREPARATION..... Have I rembered all my Kit

EXASPERATION...... At how badly I or my partner are playing

EXHAUSTION....... I really shoud try to get fitter

DEPRESSION....... at losing again

MENTAL AND PHYSICAL RECOVERY..... to do it all over again in the next match

[Site Support]

Here at Badders Central we have two phases that involve entering and leaving the bar.

We hope to add a few phases that actually involve badminton but we're not very hopeful at the moment!

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[JKL]

The more modern method of coaching for more advanced players is to get rid of the concept of the so-called “base”. Phil, please excuse me if I understood you incorrectly but I presume you meant moving back to the base after execution of each shot. The BAofE now is promoting the “walk-back” method where after each execution, the player relaxes and walk in the direction towards the so-called “base” while watching very closely and anticipating the opposition’s return.

If, say, player A performs a straight clear, player A would then relaxes and slowly walk towards the base direction while watching what player B is about to do. If player B performs a straight drop as a return, player A then accelerates in an explosive manner to return the straight drop without going near the base. This apparently is a more efficient way of using the body’s energy by predominately utilising anaerobic strength rather than a mixture of aerobic and anaerobic capacity. The other advantage is that the player is more alert of the opponent and less likely to be “caught out”. Of course, I mentioned that this is for more advanced players because he/she needs to have a good foundation of strong anaerobic strength in order to perform this. This is more applicable for singles by the way.

Site Support, there is a set of systematic, and what some coaches may regard as, “official” BAofE defined coaching terms such as the “Stroke Cycle”, in which the “Travelling Phase” is one part of. However, this is not very helpful with your intention of coming up with several phrases for your enter and exit bars. Sorry.

[Loafer]

JKL,

please tell me your last sentence is incredibly dry sarcasm.



SS

as for you, well cant argue with that. as long as the leaving the bar phase is sufficiently later than the entering the bar phase then it sounds like you have got it spot on.

[JKL]

I was sorry from the bottom of my heart =P

[Loafer]

thank god. just checkin :D

[NeilNicholls]

, there is a set of systematic, and what some coaches may regard as, “official” BAofE defined coaching terms such as the “Stroke Cycle”, in which the “Travelling Phase” is one part of.
does this go back to the time when Jake Downey was Director of Coaching?

Approach Travel Phase
move from where you are to where you need to be to hit the shuttle

Stroke-Move
building shot
or attempted winning shot
or hit and hope shot

Recovery Travel Phase
move from where you hit the shuttle to where you need to be to cover the opponents most probable shots

[NeilNicholls]

What has been discussed so far is really only phases of an individual rally.

The gaps between the rallies are important for your mental attitude, and also offer opportunities to affect your opponents mental attitude.

You need this time to think about your overall strategy to beat the opponent. Maybe to change it in the middle of the game.
You can try to speed up or slow down the game to try to unsettle your opponent, or because you have a fitness advantage or disadvantage, or you can do various other things that might be called gamesmanship.

[dlp]

All out attack
controlled attack
Neutral
Controlled defence
Total defence

[NeilNicholls]

The BAofE now is promoting the “walk-back” method where after each execution, the player relaxes and walk in the direction towards the so-called “base” while watching very closely and anticipating the opposition’s return.

I thought the saying "quick to the shuttle, slow to base" was quite old.

Does this amount to making the base a large area rather than a particular position?
e.g. if you can get to any corner of the court as long as you starting point is inside the oval base area, all you have to do is get back to that area after playing your shot. (picture indicating your side of the court)

If so, then it wouldn't be limited to advanced players, but the size of the area would be dependant on the players fitness

[Phil McBride]

About your base and specific area question I was always told base is a general area BUT if you can't reach your chosen or supposed area then you make your base where you can and then move from it and then try again but whatever you do and wherever you make your base you must make a base.

[JoeWright]

Badmintology update that is relevant to this thread:

A new section has been added to the Core Text - Game Theory. The first content to be added is First Principals.

This can been accessed via quicklink: Game01 or directly:

www.topracket.com/Badmintology/index.php?QuickLink=Game01 (http://www.topracket.com/Badmintology/index.php?QuickLink=Game01)


Regards

Joe Wright
badmintology@topracket.com
www.topracket.com/Badmintology