Rexy

[nasigoreng]

I have just heard that Rexy Mainaky is joining Badminton of Malaysia to be their new mixed doubles coach.
he has agreed in principle and has agreed terms. only ironing out roles and responsibilities in the coaching set-up. How big a loss will he be to Badminton England? and who do you think should replace him? :eek:

[flamingjam]

massive loss the guy is a king , seemed to be totally respected and looked upto by the international players from what ive seen, he gets them to work hard but still keeps a great atmosphere :D Seems to get on with the other doubles coaches as well (ie AW)
PLus Trick shot master - worth it in itself

Big Loss who to replace with ? i don't know personally i thk we need another from asia because to the links its forges, having Rexy tied us with in INA this showed in the past few years allowing BE to bring players over to train against- a great help

[AXC]

Rexy claims not to have made up his mind yet. He has kids in school in England and seems to like his family life over here so all may not be lost.

[redkingjoe]

Rexy claims not to have made up his mind yet. He has kids in school in England and seems to like his family life over here so all may not be lost.

Source:(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/badminton/4532195.stm)
Mainaky unsure of England future

Mainaky won gold for Indonesia with Ricky Subagja in 1996
England doubles coach Rexy Mainaky insists he has yet to decide whether to accept an offer to work in Malaysia.
The former world and Olympic champion has had a successful four-year spell with England, and signed a one-year deal to cover the Commonwealth Games.

But Malaysia have approached him to do a similar role for them working under Yap Kim Hoch, whom he beat in winning the Olympic doubles title in Atlanta.

"This is not about money, it will be made on personal grounds," he said.

Mainaky's situation is complicated by the fact that his recently widowed mother lives in Jakarta.

"If I moved I would be just an hour or so away and could get to see her at weekends and take some of the pressure off my brothers," he explained.

"I want to go back to England and talk to Badminton England and to my wife. We are very happy in England and my children are doing well at school there."
Mainaky will have to make a decision before the world championships in Anaheim in August, with the Malaysians keen for him to take up a role with them before the tournament.


1 Work under someone whom he had beaten. :confused: :confused: i wouldn't like doing...

2 Kids' education is so important...England got such a good Edu system...Mal? :confused:

3 Leaving a place that the family is feeling happy to somewhere else :confused:

4 I have been to Mal many many times. i like Mal very much especially the food and the kind ppls but i don't think the standard of living and "color" of life would be better than Eng.

5 now i need to compare the $$$$$$$$ :D , if Mal gives one million...

[Loafer]

1 Work under someone whom he had beaten. :confused: :confused: i wouldn't like doing...

2 Kids' education is so important...England got such a good Edu system...Mal? :confused:

3 Leaving a place that the family is feeling happy to somewhere else :confused:

4 I have been to Mal many many times. i like Mal very much especially the food and the kind ppls but i don't think the standard of living and "color" of life would be better that Eng.

5 now i need to compare the $$$$$$$$
1. Interesting, I would rather work under someone I had beaten, than someone who had beaten me!

2/3 these are massively important you are right. could not comment on mal but the english system is strong. As for the family being happy, change and variation can be good if managed properly, it would be good for his kids as it opens up their horizons. experiencing new cultures and ways of life is good for kids. I know a girl who up until her 25th birthday had NEVER left the country, never been to London etc. her view on life was so blinkered it was impossible to a good discussion with her

[redkingjoe]

1. Interesting, I would rather work under someone I had beaten, than someone who had beaten me!

2/3 these are massively important you are right. could not comment on mal but the english system is strong. As for the family being happy, change and variation can be good if managed properly, it would be good for his kids as it opens up their horizons. experiencing new cultures and ways of life is good for kids. I know a girl who up until her 25th birthday had NEVER left the country, never been to London etc. her view on life was so blinkered it was impossible to a good discussion with her


may be we should start a poll:

1 Who wants to work under someone he has beaten?

2 Who are currently having a happy family in one location are willing to change to a new one?

on the education side: there's a very famous guy in the chinese history that his mother changed the home location 3 times just for getting good neighbourhood!!!!

[Lewisio]

2 views on this -
I agree with Loafer that if you work under someone you've beaten you have a little psychological leveling. Although you work for someone you are still slightly senior in one point.
If a childish argument broke out over who to pick, Rexy (not saying he would) could turn round and say I beat you, so my point of view is more valid. It would give a level platform for the two parties to discuss their views.
However - If you work for someone you've beaten then, there could always be that nagging problem in your head of "why am I answering to this person, when I'm better and have beaten them!"
It all comes down to what sort of person you are and what you're thought process is on things.

I would of thought, if Rexy moved to Malaysia to work, he would not be too concerned who he's working for (so long as relations are good), so long as he does a good and successful job.
With the quality he's brought to the English set-up - I would anticpate, if he left to coach somewhere else - he would bring that same quality.

[Loafer]

totally agree, i just meant given the two situations I would rather have that little gem up my sleve, at least then it would be in my court (pardon the pun) whether to ever hold it over the other person. I dont think I ever would as I would prefer to take more mature avenues to deal with any problems but hey, nice to have, right? if the person you worked for had beaten you, any petty dispute in the office and they could use it to make your life uncomfortable. again, i would like to think that anyone I worked for would be mature enough not to, but as always, you never know......

I think you are right, wherever he goes he will bring the same level of quality we have been lucky enough to benefit from.

L

[Lewisio]

I hope he does stay - coz I feel we're going to need that sort of level of coaching talent.
Robertson has continually improved, and shown he's more than just a flair player - he has consistency and ability to get and stay at World no.1.
However mens doubles wise - Archer although arguably our next best player, is struggling with injury constantly. Clark is solid enough to mix it with the best in the world, but arguably not in that very top category.
After that we seem to be short - I personally don't feel - although improving, Blair isn't good enough to beat the top Asians. Even playing with Nathan.
In the next category is Lindley and Roebuck, although both have progressed immensely still have a little way to go, before they become world class.
Palethorpe and Trueman, proved at the All England they quality, by mixing it with Eriksen and Lundgaard, however only managed this for 1 set.
The only other pair are the youngsters of Langridge and Middleton, Landgridge is a talented player with a good eye for the balance between power and control, however if he has any hope of proving to be one of Europes best, he's gotta ditch Middleton.
He might have done well at his age group (with good partners) , he might also cause people problems at national level, but without being too harsh he's not a flair shot player and also seems to have a low boiling point, with a very quick temper.
Having watched him play mixed at the nationals, I thought he was very fortunate to beat Hurrell and the 16 year Dorset girl. he lost his cool, got wound up (especially when hit by the shuttle from the net) and was very lucky that Bok played well and stayed cool to get them through it.

Back on point after an unintentional attack on a promising junior (sorry, just giving my view), I feel we're going to need coaching talent like Rexy, if we are going to have a 2nd tier players reaching the dizzy heights of Nathan and Archer.

[redkingjoe]

2 views on this -
I agree with Loafer that if you work under someone you've beaten you have a little psychological leveling. Although you work for someone you are still slightly senior in one point.
If a childish argument broke out over who to pick, Rexy (not saying he would) could turn round and say I beat you, so my point of view is more valid. It would give a level platform for the two parties to discuss their views.
However - If you work for someone you've beaten then, there could always be that nagging problem in your head of "why am I answering to this person, when I'm better and have beaten them!"
It all comes down to what sort of person you are and what you're thought process is on things.

I would of thought, if Rexy moved to Malaysia to work, he would not be too concerned who he's working for (so long as relations are good), so long as he does a good and successful job.
With the quality he's brought to the English set-up - I would anticpate, if he left to coach somewhere else - he would bring that same quality.

in the business world, it's very dangerous to work under someone you've beaten....you really need to try your luck:

1 when the boss feels an inferiority complex, he might just try to veto whatever the subordinate proposes especially when there's no "black and white" "right or wrong" to a solution...i have seen something similiar to these many a time:
there's a women boss that i saw always said that the subordinates were making mistakes; when you do A, she said B, when you do/propose B than she said A. when you said A or B sounds good, she'll definitely say C should be correct...even when you draft a simple standard letter(3-4 paragraphs), she just re-organize the paragraph, unnecessarily change a few words like from "sincerely yours" to "very truely yours"

that's call "compensation"....to make even on losing in some other place...

2 when Rexy is negotiating for terms, of course the new boss will at least look and sounds nicely...when rexy has formally signed a contract and moved eveybody to Mal, Rexy doesn't have any chips on hand anymore...just listern to the boss who will make the final decisions and waits for annaul evaluation, or proposal for a raise...

3 having said that, i didn't mean that he would certainly be mistreated....just the potential risk in addition to the pschological one

[PeteG]

From the sounds of things Rexy has a tough decision on a very personal level, because of the situation with his widowed mother and of course with his wife and kids. From and English badminton point of view, it would be great if he stayed, mostly because as someone said before, of his rapport with the players and their respect for him, as well as getting on with other coaches.

If he does go to Malaysia I would hope Yap and him get on although I can understand the potential for arguements hopefully their goal would be one and the same. To my mind though, they were both similar players in their respective pairings: Rexy the flair player to Ricky's more consistent and solid approach and the same with Yap as the speed and ability to Cheah's experience and all round solid game. Another point which may either cause them problems, or mean that they share similar philosophies on coaching.

Either way Rexy is going to lose out personally by the sounds of it (either taking his wife and kids away from a system they like or facing long journeys to see his mother) and I wouldn't wish that decision on anyone.