Inverness Bonanza: Matrix V Hagi

[Captain Sensible]

So peeps who do you think will win this titanic struggle should these young men come face to face at Inverness?

[matrix2353]

Well it seems that everyone has read the post Cockburn Centre Bonanza, me and Hagi seem celbrities. But newayz things are looking ok because i read there was a Phil McBride V Hagi Saga and i hear that Phil would b an easy win

[Captain Sensible]

Well it seems that everyone has read the post Cockburn Centre Bonanza, me and Hagi seem celbrities. But newayz things are looking ok because i read there was a Phil McBride V Hagi Saga and i hear that Phil would b an easy win

Hey dude, how confident are you that you will win and what you basing it on?

[matrix2353]

Well if Hagi and Phil are of he same standard then very confident as i was told by a coach that i should be bale to beat Phil

[Captain Sensible]

Well if Hagi and Phil are of he same standard then very confident as i was told by a coach that i should be bale to beat Phil

I have heard, rightly or wrongly, that there aint much between them so your confidence may be well founded.

Anyone confirm this?

[Mr T]

I have seen Phil play and "oh my god he is bad", trust me no one can be as bad as that.

Hagi will destroy Matrix no bother.

[matrix2353]

You have seen play have you

[matrix2353]

I mean have you seen me play to know such that he would beat me

[Mr T]

hagi is one of the better players that this area has produced in recent years, the idea that a weegie runt like you could take him is well.....laughable!!

[matrix2353]

Orite well he must b good then if hes around the same standard as Phil and he also lies 11th as a junior Yeah rite

[Mr T]

Hagi has told no lies, he was 11th at one stage. He also happens to be a far superior player to Phil McBull****!!

Thats a bit rich you calling someone a liar is it not?

[matrix2353]

Well how long was he there, not for long thats how long

[Mr T]

Longer than you.

[matrix2353]

Yep i have never been there as i dont play in any of the tournaments bar one, but what i am saying is that he could not have been there for more than a few months.

[Mr T]

Doesnt matter, he was still there longer than you

Its your fault you didnt play the tournaments, no-one elses!

[matrix2353]

Not making any excauses even though if i had played in all the tournaments i wouldnt have made 11th but i would av made 20th or maybe 25th but then this is where Hagi has been, he just got lucky at 11th

[Mr T]

Am sure if hagi played all the tournaments he would have made the top 20 comfortably but, like you he didnt play every tournie.

Face it he is going to give you the biggest drubbing of your competitive career!!

[matrix2353]

Yeah and who are you, keeping silent

[Mr T]

I am one quarter of the A-Team

[matrix2353]

I see you have an imagination just as you keep using it thinking Hagi will beat me

[Phil McBride]

I see you have an imagination just as you keep using it thinking Hagi will beat me

I don't think - I know Hagi will gub you!!!


As for me - well wait and see ;)



Can I make a guess and at this stage that the one vote for little Matrix was in fact from Matrix??

[Phil McBride]

I am one quarter of the A-Team

Technically one third, George Peppard is dead and is survived by you, Murdock and Face.

Dependant of course if you include Amy the reporter?

[matrix2353]

I know i will gub you and find it unlikely that Hagi will gub me

[matrix2353]

Ooh and i would also like to say that dam rite i shouldnt get more than 10 points in a game to 21 when he is what 3 years older than me. :D So Well Done you, the best ur gonna do is a 17 year old boi

[Phil McBride]

Ooh and i would also like to say that dam rite i shouldnt get more than 10 points in a game to 21 when he is what 3 years older than me. :D So Well Done you, the best ur gonna do is a 17 year old boi

Nice to see your badminton knowledge is as good as your English :rolleyes:

At 17............... hmmm let's just see. Who do we know that is 17ish?

Stephen McPhiail (16-17?) Calum (about 17-18) and compare them to a 20 year old and a 29 year old.

Well as we know Badminton is a game of technique not power and a 3 year age difference (you and Hagi) counts for nothing, as for general stamina and biological tolerance you should actually be very eavenly matched, but this is dependant on who trains and how much and which sport etc. As I'm sure you are aware many different sports come in handy for badminton not just playing and training for badminton.



Now lets just take those youngsters who train full time and are the best in their age groups in our little peninsula, if Hagi or me played them would we be better (stronger, faster, fitter) because of our increased age?

I would think that the answer would be an emphatic no!


In general there is little difference between a 17 year old and a 20 year old biologically (assuming the 17 year old has undergone puberty and hormone balance is achieved along with complete limb growth), however if you take the average white male in Europe their prime years as far as development goes are around 25-28 which is why European badminton players tend to play more into their early 30's where as Asians tend to stop pro badminton in their late 20's.

3 years mean absolutly nothing, in fact I can bet on about 3 of the under 13's this season giving you a hard time on court! But by your argument you'd beat them hands down :rolleyes:

[matrix2353]

Oh Yeah you use Stpehen McPhail and Callum Menzies the best for their age as an example against me and Hagi well no because we are not the best fo our age, i can defiently assume that me at 20 will be better than Hagi at 20 as i still have 3 years of training ahead of me which Hagi has passed :D

[Phil McBride]

Oh Yeah you use Stpehen McPhail and Callum Menzies the best for their age as an example against me and Hagi well no because we are not the best fo our age, i can defiently assume that me at 20 will be better than Hagi at 20 as i still have 3 years of training ahead of me which Hagi has passed :D

Then use my argument about the under 13's.

You have 3 years to train? I'm quite sure Hagi does not train any more and probably hasn't done for a wee while.

You seem to think you can improve but you have forgotten the basic fundamental that we are only as good as we can be, our levels are pre-defined by our potential and work rate allows and how do you know you have not reached yours already?

Will you get better for training?

Those listed are good players because they have dedicated themselves and put in effort to improve, you put in you get out. And again you have miss read my post! I was speaking biologicaly not skill wise. You are aware that some 10 year olds can clear a shuttle baseline to baseline? So what does that tell you about power Vs technique?

You only have 1-2 years left in junior (u19) badminton and if you cannot compete against those in your age group, which I'm sure you can't as you are not in any squads that you have mentioned then how are you going to train? Those mentioned above have great opportunities ahead of them because they have funding and support, you are at that age where you have to start thinking about uni/job etc and I'm quite sure you need the money to be able to afford coaching but if you work than finding the time for the coaching is more difficult than you will know.

If you go to uni then it is a wake up call in that it is nothing like school and you have to put in a very high workrate to pass exams and coursework etc.

Where will you find the time?

[matrix2353]

Right ok your making assumptions, I have a job and am not going to Uni also i am not planning on paying for a great coach but i will be attending alot of clubs and training just as hard as i did before of which i can imagine Hagi is not, also i know my best has not yet been reached, sometimes you jus know these things from within

[Phil McBride]

Right ok your making assumptions, I have a job and am not going to Uni also i am not planning on paying for a great coach but i will be attending alot of clubs and training just as hard as i did before of which i can imagine Hagi is not, also i know my best has not yet been reached, sometimes you jus know these things from within

No I wasn't making assumptions I was being generallistic.

You are working - let's assume it's a full time type position ie 9-5.

You come home and then you go out to play in a club, great. How do you get better in that environment? Yes playing against better players will bring you on a bit but not training or working on technique or fitness? You will be playing the same people constantly week in week out without evening up the rest. To get better you would probably be looking at putting in 20 hours work per week both on and off court. Playing against others in a constant environment only gets you familliar with their shots and movements and over time you will get used to them under the false assumption that you are getting better because in relation to wehre you were you are able to reach and predict their shots.

Also if you are throwing down the gauntlet you are assuming Hagi isn't going to train! What if he does? A clear indication that not everything around you will remain static and other people might be improving as well and possibly at a higher rate than yourself.

Of course your best hasn't been reached you are too young and not yet at the peak of your strength and power (badminton wise of course) and will have at least another 5 years to fullfill any potential you think you may have.


And if you are going to train just as hard as you have been doing then what rank will you reach in seniors? Just asking since juniors wise you have only reached 20 something, that alone tells you that you need to structure your training and provide your own motivation and aims.


Wow now you have 2 votes: You and Red

[matrix2353]

No i am not planning on moving into the professionals but am planning on getting better and joining some new clubs to do so. I will assume Hagi cannot get much better as i assume he does not train much, mayb one or two hours a week where as i will be playing much more

[Hagi]

:D No i am not planning on moving into the professionals but am planning on getting better and joining some new clubs to do so. I will assume Hagi cannot get much better as i assume he does not train much, mayb one or two hours a week where as i will be playing much more

So much doubt and uncertainty cant be good for you young man!!

What makes you think i dont train much? For all you know i could be have been doing intensive training throughout the summer!?!?!

Have you asked everybody you know how good Phil and i are?? It really is quite flattering and amusing as you still dont have a clue as to whether you can beat me or not!! :D

Oh before i forget you cant pull out of the bet because you are scared!!! :D

[matrix2353]

No i plled out of the bet because you are 2 scared to tell me your name

[matrix2353]

Also i know i can beat Phil its just you i need to know about now

[Phil McBride]

I beg to differ, you still haven't found out who I am yet!

[Hagi]

No i plled out of the bet because you are 2 scared to tell me your name

I wasnt scared dear boy, was just making you wait thats all! :D


Also i know i can beat Phil its just you i need to know about now


Well you've already asked everyone who i am so am surprised you still dont know if you can beat me or not!! Sources not very good? :D

[matrix2353]

Yes someone says you arent much better than Phil and i know i will be able to beat him. Libby told me he is old and average, she obviously has seen him play and has coached me more than once and wasnt slow in saying i should be able to beat him fairly easily and yes i do know who you both are Paul Scott and Phil McBride

[Phil McBride]

Yes someone says you arent much better than Phil and i know i will be able to beat him. Libby told me he is old and average, she obviously has seen him play and has coached me more than once and wasnt slow in saying i should be able to beat him fairly easily and yes i do know who you both are Paul Scott and Phil McBride


Ha ha............. don't make me laugh :eek:

I never got anywhere near 11 in junior badminton, but again you miss the entire point of the post even though it was only 13 little words long.

I'll reiterate - you know our names, nothing else. Maybe I'll even lend a hand here - you are talking to the wrong people!

I'm beginning to think Hagi was right about your weegieness.

And if Libby has coached you (and more than once) I'm not even sure you know which way to hold a racket, you do know you use the string part to hit a shuttle with not the wooden stump at the other end?

[matrix2353]

No that might be your level but its not mine, "Average Coach"

[Phil McBride]

I'm sure I have said before, but I don't consider myself a coach at all.

so yet more miss-information from a reliable source :rolleyes: You just have all the best contacts

[matrix2353]

Yeah i agree but nevertheless she thinks i could beat you easily, old and passed it

[Phil McBride]

Yeah i agree but nevertheless she thinks i could beat you easily, old and passed it

I know she is but that's no way to talk about Libby :p

[matrix2353]

So you agree you are an easy win

[Phil McBride]

Nope.

Any other questions?

[matrix2353]

No thats all, anyways i tend to imagine you being old and rusty, a few long rallies which will be happening if i play you and you will be breathing deeply

[Phil McBride]

I'll probably be breathing deeply because I have asthma and not because of anything you'll be able to think you can do :rolleyes:

[redkingjoe]

note to self: i voted against my will....i thought hagi would win but i voted for matrix's winning

[matrix2353]

YEah boo hoo you have ashma i got one lung but am no the one looking for the sympathy vote.

[Phil McBride]

I don't need a sympathy vote because I'm not the one who's building myself up for a very large fall.

In otherwords I aint going to be losing should I make it through :rolleyes:

[littlemissloud]

i have to say i cant wait to see the outcome of this!!!

[Phil McBride]

Would actually be very funny if none of us were in the same group :D

[Hagi]

note to self: i voted against my will....i thought hagi would win but i voted for matrix's winning

Boo hiss boo!!!!! I am dissapointed red!!! :p

Who ever else voted against me get's the boo treatment as well!! :D

[matrix2353]

You seriously think you could beat me, Libby didnt say i would win she said i would tank you, EASY in other words

[redkingjoe]

Boo hiss boo!!!!! I am dissapointed red!!! :p

Who ever else voted against me get's the boo treatment as well!! :D

don't be too dissappointed hagi, as long as you will win :D :D :D

[redkingjoe]

YEah boo hoo you have ashma i got one lung but am no the one looking for the sympathy vote.

matrix,
my bad!
trust me, i never ever gave sympathy vote to anyone...this time, i was merely trying to balance the vote count so that it will look better when one views the counter!!!

as long as the competition has not been played yet, you still have 50% of the chance winning!!! work hard on practicing the ultra high serve that will fall exactly vertically deepdown on the back line, your footwork and deception shots!!!

[matrix2353]

Well maybe against Hagi but a wont need all that when am playing against Phil, in Castlemilk we like to call players like him PISH

[tango]

yikes there's me about to say, i can't wait for this showdown - should it happen and i've nearly missed the deadline to enter the tournament!! just got my train tickets in the post as well!
i'm with littlemissloud though where the outcome is concerned. i hope i'm not playing when/ if it happens.

good luck fellas!

ps: i voted for matrix!

the tango doll over and asleep!

[littlemissloud]

well ill not be there but no doubt the result will be on here

[matrix2353]

Go Tango about time someone voted for me and not accidently

[Phil McBride]

Anyway I was talking to a specific juniors dad (who knows Paul) on Monday night and telling him about this, his reaction was nothing but laughter when I mentioned a junior wannabe beating him :eek: To be honest I think he nearly fell off his chair he was laughing that bloody hard :)

I will put my money on Paul and you both know wher I play to come and collect ;)

I couldn't get a partner so am not going to travel through (specially since the only train to get to inverness in time leaves Glasgow at 7.00 in the morning) and I have players in the uder 13's the same day as the singles (incidentally in the Cockburn centre :p )

Wonder who'll be the first home to report the scores? Probably Darren since he wont get through the pools and will have a head start :D

[matrix2353]

Well maybe a might no get through the pools but its unlikely you will either considering only one person per pool rembering there is only 2 pools go through to the final(Well thought out there Phil)

[Phil McBride]

Well maybe a might no get through the pools but its unlikely you will either considering only one person per pool rembering there is only 2 pools go through to the final(Well thought out there Phil)

Actually there are usually 4-6 pools so there are also elimination matches. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling that this one will be very empty since there is not a Glasgow contingent from either Westside or Scotstoun going which usually make up half of those playing, I feel the traveling distance is just too much and there are quite a few people not willing to stay overnight to play both events and having to travel 7 hours per day just for some badminton.

[matrix2353]

Well i played in the Badminton Bonanza in Peebles and i can remember very well that there was only 2 pools

[littlemissloud]

i played in inverness last year (or maybe year before!?!?!) and there were 2 pool in ladies but about 4 in the mens

[The Forsaken]

The Forsaken thinks that Matrix is a little "weegie" idiot who should spend more time hitting shuttles and less time listening to rumours as to who others are.

Maybe if Matrix spent some time playing he would know who these other two are.

Try and get into a squad first sunny!

Idiot.

[matrix2353]

No i am ok and as a matter of fact i was playing for two hours earlier today, playing doubles and singles, thought a wasnt gonna make it with late entries but Hey its kool. Cant wait to see who people are, be listening for certain names, maybe Paul Scott and Phil McBride.

[The Forsaken]

The Forsaken thinks you have serious difficulty in reading ability

I don't think you have answered any question posed to you in this forum because of your inability to read properly and have just been going off on tangents throughout!

At least if you are listening out for names then you can have someone, perhaps a designated adult read this out to you so you will be able to understand.

Spend more time playing or training then maybe you will amount to something in the game rather than mouthing off at people you do not know.

Paul will be there waiting for you on court, Phil will not because he is going to some tournamet this weekend which he has players in.

How did I know this? I read the threads.

[Edited due to inappropriate language]

[Lewisio]

This is the silliest pile of dribble I've read on here - and some of southern monkeys rubbish last year was pretty bad!

Matrix - for someone who doesn't play very much - you certainly run your mouth very well. Maybe the badminton world you live in is pretty poor and thus you think you are some sort of big star, or you have an exceptionally small manhood and have to make up for it by talking yourself up!

I don't know you and by the way you conduct yourself on here.....I'm quite glad I don't know you - but I would suggest that one day your attitude will get you into trouble. Anybody I know on the badders circuit who runs their mouth (in the serious manner you do) is usually outkast and most people generally ignore them.

Hagi - good luck to you, if he's still running his mouth at 14-0 then I would suggest the only thing left is violence, knock him out, pull down his cacks and show everyone the small weiner he has/is!!!!!!

Phil - You'vew always got chapter and verse to say on anything, so surprise surprise you're involved in this, but gotta show you some sympathy - how poor you must be if this one person (Libby) thinks you're so bad - how we all live and die by one persons opinion. I hope you all three get in the same group and I will actually check out the results on here hoping you and Hagi whoop the Matrix.

Yours - a very sorry person for foolishly checking out the off-topic forum!

[Woody]

At last someone else agrees with me this is inane drivel that should be consigned to the assylum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matrix2353]

Ok "The Forsaken" as i said i played enough badminton yesterday, 2 hours infact, so if u maybe had read my post you would have ralised this unless you just are stupid enough to ignore it. Also Hagi stop getting your pals tae help you on this e.g "Lewiso" unless hes also extremely stupid. Remember am playing doubles and singles so watch out.

Hagi are you playing doubles to, just so i know if i can win at that to

[The Forsaken]

This is the silliest pile of dribble I've read on here - and some of southern monkeys rubbish last year was pretty bad!

Matrix - for someone who doesn't play very much - you certainly run your mouth very well. Maybe the badminton world you live in is pretty poor and thus you think you are some sort of big star, or you have an exceptionally small manhood and have to make up for it by talking yourself up!

I don't know you and by the way you conduct yourself on here.....I'm quite glad I don't know you - but I would suggest that one day your attitude will get you into trouble. Anybody I know on the badders circuit who runs their mouth (in the serious manner you do) is usually outkast and most people generally ignore them.

Hagi - good luck to you, if he's still running his mouth at 14-0 then I would suggest the only thing left is violence, knock him out, pull down his cacks and show everyone the small weiner he has/is!!!!!!

Phil - You'vew always got chapter and verse to say on anything, so surprise surprise you're involved in this, but gotta show you some sympathy - how poor you must be if this one person (Libby) thinks you're so bad - how we all live and die by one persons opinion. I hope you all three get in the same group and I will actually check out the results on here hoping you and Hagi whoop the Matrix.

Yours - a very sorry person for foolishly checking out the off-topic forum!

The Forsaken thinks - ha ha

What a poor poster you are indeed!

People who run their mouths are outcasts and ignored, well from their neck of the woods (Jockland) Alastair Casey ran his mouth and he was a talent to behold, there are still some at the top of the game up there who run their mouths but have the skill to back it up - a ranking at 20 odd and 11 in junior badminton does not qualify you to run your mouth.

I have friends down here who speak highly of McSporran and who he is - I can gaurentee you if McJockko was bothered that much by some nothing coach North of the border passing comments he would sort out the problem as that is his way! Anyway he has had the officials in the SBU passing comments behind his back and spreading rumours about him for the past two years so I can't see him being that bothered - can you? You see - even I know what goes on up there in sheepsville!

The Forsaken thinks highly of the few who stand up for what they believe and have put their names to it.

The Monkey - Legend, the rest - idiots!

[matrix2353]

Thanx you where very nice there in saying that a ranking of 20 odd and 11 at junoir was very nice to read as Yes Hagi was 11 at junoir level and dropped down to 20 odd so Hagi what "The Forsaken" is tryin to say shut the hell up and stop running our moth.

[The Forsaken]

Thanx you where very nice there in saying that a ranking of 20 odd and 11 at junoir was very nice to read as Yes Hagi was 11 at junoir level and dropped down to 20 odd so Hagi what "The Forsaken" is tryin to say shut the hell up and stop running our moth.

The Forsaken speaks to both! A ranking of 11 for Hagi is better than your 20 odd but neither of you would have made serious players!

You need a continual ranking in the top 3-5 in your age group to be taken at face value and for the period of an entire ranking season. You then need a similar ranking in the age group above to have any credibility.

Both of your rankings from what I can gather from the "weegie" talk are one off's, not static so you are not at this level now although as Mc Sporran points out in another post he is older and might have a slight speed strength advantage but not much. You can gather that this is negligable from juniors taking part in competitions above their age groups and beating older players.

No one down here has ever heard of the "Hagi" or the "Matrix" and their status in the McGame but everyone knows "The Forsaken" and his wisdom!

[redkingjoe]

Thanx you where very nice there in saying that a ranking of 20 odd and 11 at junoir was very nice to read as Yes Hagi was 11 at junoir level and dropped down to 20 odd so Hagi what "The Forsaken" is tryin to say shut the hell up and stop running our moth.

i voted for you...don't let me down, OK?

(PS: don't forget to spend more time in practicing the accuracy on the most frightening deep and high serving....the birdie should be as high as almost touching the ceiling..as deep as the base line...must be falling vertically to the base line to be real powerful....if you watched Peter Gade played with Lin Dan in WC last time... practicing the accuracy of serving is...)

[Lewisio]

MATRIX -
I'm no friend of Hagi's I don't know him - or you.....thankfully.
And because I think you're a silly little boy with a very tiny penis - that makes me stupid?

Your mouth never stops running - hopefully you're running is as good on a badminton court as your mouth is on here!!! Why don't you stop your petty backchat, wait for the tournament - win and then act graciously.
I would expect you're the sort of tosser that, if you won, wouldn't just make do with the self-satisfaction - you'd be on here running your mouth about how great you are!

[littlemissloud]

bored!!!!!

[Loafer]

hahahah me to

I used to get told off for posting like that.....

[The Forsaken]

MATRIX -
I'm no friend of Hagi's I don't know him - or you.....thankfully.
And because I think you're a silly little boy with a very tiny penis - that makes me stupid?

Your mouth never stops running - hopefully you're running is as good on a badminton court as your mouth is on here!!! Why don't you stop your petty backchat, wait for the tournament - win and then act graciously.
I would expect you're the sort of tosser that, if you won, wouldn't just make do with the self-satisfaction - you'd be on here running your mouth about how great you are!

The Forsaken does not think that this "Matrix" will get out of draw and into the second round or out of the pool if that is the way of these basic beginner tournaments.

There is no way "matrix", "hagi" or "mcbride" could compete in a full competition or else they would already have rankings instead of ego's

The wisdom is true, follow it!


bored!!!!!

Then stop reading and posting, no one is forcing you!

[matrix2353]

How bout you shut and stop slaggin everyone else when you know you are crap yourself

[The Forsaken]

How bout you shut and stop slaggin everyone else when you know you are crap yourself

The Forsaken can see jealousy from you, it is not his fault he has had a higher ranking than you would ever reach in both junior and senior badminton.

That's why the wisdom is true!

He has the credentials to dish out the meaty facts to you want to be jocks!

There is only one Forsaken and you are out of your depth - FACT!

[matrix2353]

Orite yeah he has the meaty facts when he says he was 11th at Junoir level when he obviously wasnt

[redkingjoe]

hahahah me to

I used to get told off for posting like that.....

ding ding ding: a real strong competitor has arrived!!!!

trying to regain your glory with Samba footwork(that one was good though, priceless)?! :D

[redkingjoe]

This is the silliest pile of dribble I've read on here - and some of southern monkeys rubbish last year was pretty bad!

Matrix - for someone who doesn't play very much - you certainly run your mouth very well. Maybe the badminton world you live in is pretty poor and thus you think you are some sort of big star, or you have an exceptionally small manhood and have to make up for it by talking yourself up!

I don't know you and by the way you conduct yourself on here.....I'm quite glad I don't know you - but I would suggest that one day your attitude will get you into trouble. Anybody I know on the badders circuit who runs their mouth (in the serious manner you do) is usually outkast and most people generally ignore them.

Hagi - good luck to you, if he's still running his mouth at 14-0 then I would suggest the only thing left is violence, knock him out, pull down his cacks and show everyone the small weiner he has/is!!!!!!

Phil - You'vew always got chapter and verse to say on anything, so surprise surprise you're involved in this, but gotta show you some sympathy - how poor you must be if this one person (Libby) thinks you're so bad - how we all live and die by one persons opinion. I hope you all three get in the same group and I will actually check out the results on here hoping you and Hagi whoop the Matrix.

Yours - a very sorry person for foolishly checking out the off-topic forum!

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[redkingjoe]

How bout you shut and stop slaggin everyone else when you know you are crap yourself

matrix, these guys r good guys...they care about u although these were communicated to u in a less than positive way.

read Woody, Forsaken, and Lewisio's posts more carefully, listern to their wisdom talks, put more of your passion into training & practicing, trust yourself, fight a beautiful battle with Hagi beating him hands down and come back with more mouth work!!!

Don't let me down!!!

[matrix2353]

Thanx for the believe and backing redkingjoe

[BairnAgain]

The Forsaken can see jealousy from you, it is not his fault he has had a higher ranking than you would ever reach in both junior and senior badminton.

That's why the wisdom is true!

He has the credentials to dish out the meaty facts to you want to be jocks!

There is only one Forsaken and you are out of your depth - FACT!

Of all the baw-baggery thats went on on this thread you sir take first prize for hiding behind an alias. Either that or the inbreeding in Tooting is rather worse than we feared!! :eek:

Matrix what the fcuk are you all about? You are proving that you are an Illiterate piece of weegie ****!! Stop trying to mix it with the big boys when you are so clearly out of your depth.

[The Forsaken]

Of all the baw-baggery thats went on on this thread you sir take first prize for hiding behind an alias. Either that or the inbreeding in Tooting is rather worse than we feared!! :eek:

Matrix what the fcuk are you all about? You are proving that you are an Illiterate piece of weegie ****!! Stop trying to mix it with the big boys when you are so clearly out of your depth.

The Forsaken does not hide behind an alias, everyone in the know has been waiting for his arrival with trepadation and he has come forth to share his knowledge with you. Rest assured no mark, that The Forsaken has done justice to this sport and would probably still run rings around you. FACT!

Does it say Bairn Again on your birth certificate? "baw-baggery" indeed my little idiot!

The Forsaken fears that "matrix" is not the only one out of his depth!

That is the truth of the matter.


P.S. Mr Assumption - who said anything about Tooting?

[matrix2353]

Well we will just see me win tomorrow then, listen for Paul Scott Vs Darren McQaude ppl

[The Forsaken]

Well we will just see me win tomorrow then, listen for Paul Scott Vs Darren McQaude ppl

The Forsaken would like to point out that those of us who play in real tournaments (best of 3 to 15) with ranking points could not care less about the result of this "I've just bought my first racket" competition as it would not even count as a real tournament.

[matrix2353]

Ooh ppl we best be watching ourselves he plays in tournaments which are set to best of games of 3 and up to 15 points, Well Done u Mr Forsaken that must make you a good player even if you do occasionly make it through to the second round

[redkingjoe]

matrix,
1 i like your attitude and passion....find a strong opponent and strom that like hurricane katrina and see what damage that u can impact to that...afterall, what's good does it do if u alway find a opponent weaker than u
2 when u r young, it's actually to your advantage mixing with the oldies...challenge them and see if your points r strong enough...and afterall, most of the teachers are older than students...mixing with peers r good for support but mixing with the old gets you more wisdom
3 i've got to stress that there's a lot of good stuff communicated to you in a negative way and if u read these guys' post with a humble mind...u can discover gold...eg try making each of your post with the Queen's english will inevitablely improve your english that will better you academically in the long run
4 more posh mouth work here :D :D
5 good luck

[matrix2353]

Thanx am al excited for wins

[The Forsaken]

Ooh ppl we best be watching ourselves he plays in tournaments which are set to best of games of 3 and up to 15 points, Well Done u Mr Forsaken that must make you a good player even if you do occasionly make it through to the second round

The Forsaken notices you do not have the ability to extract what you need to out of his posts which will help you in the long term! The Forsaken also notices you have ignored the wisdom of others, as RKJ points out - people have tried on this and other topics to help you but you are only able to return miss-spelled abuse!

The Forsaken would like to point out that barring his first two or three junior tournaments never made it only into the second round and was mostly found in the last eight onwards, but that is the difference between doing your talking on the court and running your mouth in public where you will not be given any respect because you have earned nothing.

And before you ask, no - you will not be given respect should the unthinkable happen and you beat the "McHagi" because you have not proven yourself worthy or humble enough to get it from those around you!


Thanx am al excited for wins

The Forsaken would like to know what you would do should you lose?

[matrix2353]

Nothin cause we didnt even play, in seperate pools

[The Forsaken]

Nothin cause we didnt even play, in seperate pools

The Forsaken is surprised at this because after all this time of running your mouths off at each other you did not even lay down a challenge outwith the group matches and have a game of singles to see who would have come out victorious?

Afterall £50 was at stake and your pride but if it's not worth it then what was the point of three threads on this topic?

See the wisdom!

[alansd]

Did anyone else from this site see either of them play, are they any good or just full of hot air as was predicted?
I suppose if they were any good they would have met in the final, suppose I just answered my own question!
Before anyone has a go at me, I am sure I am no better!!

[Captain Sensible]

Did anyone else from this site see either of them play, are they any good or just full of hot air as was predicted?
I suppose if they were any good they would have met in the final, suppose I just answered my own question!
Before anyone has a go at me, I am sure I am no better!!

I wasnt there so cant say for sure but after a garbled telephone convo with a mate i think Hagi won the singles and the 2 of them played each other in the doubles with Hagi winning fairly comfortably.

Can anyone that was there confirm this?

[The Forsaken]

I wasnt there so cant say for sure but after a garbled telephone convo with a mate i think Hagi won the singles and the 2 of them played each other in the doubles with Hagi winning fairly comfortably.

Can anyone that was there confirm this?

If your McHagi won the singles then that does not say much for the level involved since he wasn't even a top ranked junior.

Although it could have been the differnce in partnerships that made the difference in doubles play.

As for the other idiot, that speaks for itself. FACT!

[matrix2353]

Yeah he won the singles but he had a fairly easy group on route and yeah him nd his partner beat us in the doubles then hey a got witnesses that seen a few shots called out when they where obviously in. Fact is Hagi is 2 slow nd a would out pace him by a mile, if he would av cared tae watch me game again Kevin Fish or John McCulloch and the way a ran down every shuttle then he would av seen

[Captain Sensible]

Yeah he won the singles but he had a fairly easy group on route and yeah him nd his partner beat us in the doubles then hey a got witnesses that seen a few shots called out when they where obviously in. Fact is Hagi is 2 slow nd a would out pace him by a mile, if he would av cared tae watch me game again Kevin Fish or John McCulloch and the way a ran down every shuttle then he would av seen

Hey dude dont take this the wrong way but, that sounds like sour grapes.

Did you beat either of the two you mentioned?

[matrix2353]

naw Kevin Fish wis a real good power player and a jus lost the bottle from 10 - 7 and John McCulloch no as well but this was a game a should av won, nvertheless a played great unlike at Peebles and tried ma best which would av bee good enough to beat Hagi, as he would tire very quickly in a game tae 21 after a days worth with me

[matrix2353]

Also a think ma doubles player played Hagi and yes Hagi won 21 - 15 ONLY but i find it that i would play it a totally different way, rallying more and tiring him out with constant clears, so Hagi dont sound to great and also a fink ma bro is finkin bout turnin up at the next one so if a dont beat ya he will

[alansd]

I think your trying to say today you would have been good enough to beat hagi, who won the whole competition yet you didnt get out the group stages, did you even win a single game?
Sometimes its just better to say I lost he was better than ending up looking like a fool!!

[Captain Sensible]

naw Kevin Fish wis a real good power player and a jus lost the bottle from 10 - 7 and John McCulloch no as well but this was a game a should av won, nvertheless a played great unlike at Peebles and tried ma best which would av bee good enough to beat Hagi, as he would tire very quickly in a game tae 21 after a days worth with me

Well you question his fitness but, he cant be that bad as he did win the thing after all. Hagi surely played someone you played at some stage to win? Or as i suspect are you saying he was really really lucky to win?

[matrix2353]

Yes i won 2 games infact and yes i have beat the guy he played in the final before as i know him even though a dont know how he lost as hes a much better player. Also you make it sound terrible as oh no a didnt make it through when only one person goes through

[matrix2353]

Yes he did play one person i played but the person i played tanked me as it was my last game and my legs had gone as he said "a got you just a the right time didnt a"

[alansd]

hold on a second, your saying your so fit you could have run him ragged yet he beat someone who was able to give you a public spanking . Me thinks your just making things up.
So he beat you at doubles then beat the winner of your group and beat your doubles partner but you still think your fit enough to run him off the court or good enough to beat him next time!! Please someone stop him!!

[matrix2353]

Ok if you would care to read my last passage i said my last game was against the person Hagi played and i said that i would to knackered to do anything about beating him after playing John McCulloch and Kevin Fish. Also my doubles partner got 15 against and is a totally different player from me, he likes to go for smashes early in the rally when i do not, Hagi would struggle. Also Hagi got lucky in the doubles, yes they won but then considering as i mentioned we got a pair of cheats there as one of the pair who went through to the final confirmed as he was sitting rite at the back of the court. Point made, oh someone please stop it, mummy please read this for me

[The Forsaken]

The Forsaken recognises the name of Fish, unless the Forsaken is infact The Mistaken he plays a very late and relaxed style and well known for his forays into national ranking tournaments up there in Jockland.

In fact he had a very good game with Flockhart in one of your nationals a couple of years back.


Ha ha, you lost in the doubles not because you were the lesser pair but because they cheated? The Forsaken suggests not running your mouth and accepting defeat graciously.

NO MORE EXCUSES. FACT!

[alansd]

Well I have tried to read it several times but since you seem to be borderline illiterate I am having trouble Maybe you should get your mummy to check your posts. Anyway, sour grapes aside the guy won, you didnt get out your group, he was better than you and everyone else that was there. Thats the bottom line.
Dont wet your bed tonight. As you said earlier, since you cant do it, you'll get your big brother to give it a shot for you!!

[matrix2353]

Well we i believe it was 11 - 11 at one point and at around this point a very bad call was made from Hagi and his partner i questioned it but thought they gave us the point and got on witht eh game but later found out they didnt, newayz ma partner was a little angry about his and we went on to loose the game, CHEATS what else can i say

[matrix2353]

Yeah a know he would beat him and i thnk theres a fair chance i would 2. UNFIT newayz. People i think you understand what he wrote there he won so that states it hes the best when no infact the best player doesnt alwayz win, different circumstances come into play e.g CHEATING

[The Forsaken]

Well we i believe it was 11 - 11 at one point and at around this point a very bad call was made from Hagi and his partner i questioned it but thought they gave us the point and got on witht eh game but later found out they didnt, newayz ma partner was a little angry about his and we went on to loose the game, CHEATS what else can i say

The Forsaken suggests that you give McHagi the appology he deserves after several weeks of running your mouth off and losing badly. FACT!

You thought they made a bad call - it happens, but the reality of the thing is that you did not have the same view they did so it might not have been a bad call. FACT!

Your partner cannot control his emotions on court and got tense giving away easy points. FACT!

But still all the negativity lies with the opposition and you were cheated?

[matrix2353]

No it was not a bad call by either side as we all knew it was in, a pressume it was ment to be Long as it was straight down the middle.

1. I thought it was in

2. My partner thought it was in

3. Hagi thought it was in and was initially going to give us the point, BUT NO

4. A player who went throught to the final thought it was in

A find it likely it was in

[The Forsaken]

No it was not a bad call by either side as we all knew it was in, a pressume it was ment to be Long as it was straight down the middle.

1. I thought it was in

2. My partner thought it was in

3. Hagi thought it was in and was initially going to give us the point, BUT NO

4. A player who went throught to the final thought it was in

A find it likely it was in

The Forsaken notices that this is only one point out of the entire twenty one - what are your excuses for losing the other twenty?

Do you see the wisdom?

[alansd]

How many points exactly did he cheat you out of? It was 11 all at one point, I mean unlucky. If you had been playing ladies singles you would have managed to take him to setting, maybe even sneaked a set!! you must be so proud!

[matrix2353]

Ok dont you worry i shall repeat this was only one of the points they cheated us

[alansd]

The foresaken and I seem to be thinking exactly the same thing!!

[matrix2353]

Yeah extremely even if we where the better pair

[matrix2353]

Do you really know cause thats funny i dont

[alansd]

You were the better pair or where the better pair, I'll assume you meant were. Maybe you were, right up until the point you lost!!

[matrix2353]

Fact is he would be 2 unfit to beat me

[The Forsaken]

Yeah extremely even if we where the better pair

But you were not the better pair - YOU LOST. FACT!

If there were any issues do you not have umpire tables like those in the real tournaments, you can ask an umpire to attend your game if you think you are being constantly cheated.

You do know that you can do this?


Fact is he would be 2 unfit to beat me

He did not need to as you never got out of your beginners group. FACT!

The Forsaken puts it this way - if you were good you would have won your group. FACT!

You did not even achieve this, how many games of singles did you play and how many did you win?

[matrix2353]

Yeah as i said the better pair dont alwayz win and next time we play we will beat them

[matrix2353]

Yes and the Umpire cannot call out shots and just calls the shots, are you sure you are a badminton or did you already know this

[matrix2353]

Sorry the Umpire cannot call out shots and can only call the points

[The Forsaken]

Yes and the Umpire cannot call out shots and just calls the shots, are you sure you are a badminton or did you already know this

The Forsaken would like to point out that in fact as of 12 months ago the umpire of a match has the ability to over rule all decisions made during the game even those of the line judges.

Did you not know your own national open last November was in jeopardy of not happening after the line judges walked out in protest of this motion?

Are you sure you "are a badminton"?

Idiot. FACT!

[alansd]

I am assuming your a weegie so will try to explain it in terms you'll understand. You lost at singles then you lost at doubles. If, and this is a huge if he had made a bad call on 16 all in the third then and only then would you have any chance of saying he is not better than you. He was not fit enough to beat you but fit enough to beat everyone else whom had already beaten you! Do you have some problems with learning as it's quite clear to everyone else what has happened!

[matrix2353]

Orite a guess a didnt know that. Can you answer me this then, why wouldnt John McCulloch call the lines when he was umpirin the final, he wouldnt and the umpire.

[The Forsaken]

I am assuming your a weegie so will try to explain it in terms you'll understand. You lost at singles then you lost at doubles. If, and this is a huge if he had made a bad call on 16 all in the third then and only then would you have any chance of saying he is not better than you. He was not fit enough to beat you but fit enough to beat everyone else whom had already beaten you! Do you have some problems with learning as it's quite clear to everyone else what has happened!

The Forsaken suggests random drug testing to uncover just how many blue smarties the "McMatrix" has consumed over the last four weeks

[matrix2353]

Ok i will explain yet again he played one person i did, that person i played as my last game as was knackered as he said at the end "A got you at just the right time, didnt a"

[matrix2353]

And maybe an eye test for Hagi and Co jus to see whether or not they are both to blame

[The Forsaken]

Orite a guess a didnt know that. Can you answer me this then, why wouldnt John McCulloch call the lines when he was umpirin the final, he wouldnt and the umpire.

The Forsaken makes his point as such - was he asked to do so?

All umpires have the ability if they wish to overturn decisions made by line judges and players if no line judges are participating and they deem a bad call was made. FACT!

[matrix2353]

Yes but this was not done so FACT

where you even there

[alansd]

world championships in glasgow 1997, sun jun playing rasmussen in the final, he started cramping and in the third the danish player won. I would have loved to see the look on everyones face if sun jun went up and said, Naw hold on a minute am better than im, gies the trophy, am better its jist that he scored mair points than me!! I think thats what matrix wants here.

[matrix2353]

No he won the doubles over us even him he did he Cheat soi fair play he goes to any lengths to win but as i said he won one game, well done, for all you know he could loose the next 10

[alansd]

how many did he win yesterday to win the whole comp?
Why do I even care, I dont even live in scotland anymore, but you are being such an idiot it really has to be pointed out.
ok I cant make it any simpler than this, You lost. He won. If you have any talent you may be able to train hard and beat him but as for now just accept it gracefully

[matrix2353]

a dont think a need to train to hard a seen him play he looks easy

[alansd]

Ignoramus

Here goes. You lost
Thats it I am done

[matrix2353]

Yep i did in the doubles but Hey Cheaters got a good advantage

[redkingjoe]

Congratulations to Hagi.

Fact

[matrix2353]

Yeah well done in the Singles but you just plain cheated in the doubles, if anyone heard ma doubles player at the end of the game then ya know wit am talkin bout

[redkingjoe]

Yeah well done in the Singles but you just plain cheated in the doubles, if anyone heard ma doubles player at the end of the game then ya know wit am talkin bout

1 single: will u do more training and try beating hagi next time?

2 double: the winner is the one who won...well, afterall it was conducted publicly with third party as judge who was not friend of hagi

[matrix2353]

Al train the same i am the now and i dont thin k i need to train ne harder to beat him

[The one and only]

Well we i believe it was 11 - 11 at one point and at around this point a very bad call was made from Hagi and his partner i questioned it but thought they gave us the point and got on witht eh game but later found out they didnt, newayz ma partner was a little angry about his and we went on to loose the game, CHEATS what else can i say


I was their, u might find it was at 6-6 as it was before the turn around. In badminton you call it as you see it, if you were unhappy about the call,why did you not argue it? From what I can remember you accepted it and got on with the game.

The game was played to 21 not 6, What happened did Hagi and partner cheated you out of another 20 points don't think so. From what I saw Hagi's partner is a big guy why did you not make him run about or was he to good for you also????

Just admit it you got beaten fair and square, pay up and shut up.

[Lewisio]

I think the fact that HAGI hasn't even come on here to gloat shows the difference between the two.

Hagi - congratulations - didn't run your mouth, went out on court and won the tournament (doesn't matter what level the tournament or who else you played....you can only beat the people in front of you).

Matrix - this shows what a jumped up little ****e you actually must be - not only can you not get out of your group (I've heard you can't serve either) but you can't even accept defeat graciously - here's the simple advice -

Go away now, only comment on the website about something other than yourself, don't run your mouth to anyone (even Libby), train your boll0cks off, then in the next tournament - you can get out your group, then train your nuts off again for the next tournament - then you might eventually win one, then (this is the important bit - if you want respect) don't say anything to anyone. Hagi is getting more respect by not coming on here and gloating, than he would of, if he'd of came on and was the first to post the results.

[In the Know]

Did anyone else from this site see either of them play, are they any good or just full of hot air as was predicted?
I suppose if they were any good they would have met in the final, suppose I just answered my own question!
Before anyone has a go at me, I am sure I am no better!!
have a look at Bonanzas summary of the final in Inverness badminton bonanza 'clash of the titans'

[matrix2353]

Ok as i explained before i thought we where given the point and i therefore got on with the game but later found out we werent. Also yes the game is up to 21 but if the game had been played fairly then my partner wouldnt av made so many mistakes nd we would av won hands down

[matrix2353]

Also bad sportsmanship by Hagi when they got a net cord nd instead of apologisin he screamed in joy, thats good is that one. Watch ya dont brake the racket also Hagi as a seen you through it a few times

[Mr T]

Matrix my little idiot what a bitter and twisted young man you are why don’t you face the facts?

1) Hagi played your doubles partner in his very fist game and admits to be being very poor in that game and the rest of his group games but did more than enough to battle through. Most players play their way into a tournament and don’t play at their best all the way through.

2) I think Hagi is a lot fitter than you give him credit for. He only had a 5 minute gap between his semi and the final. This was at his request yet half way through the game it was obvious who the fitter player was as the guy you were with was burst and Hagi was still full of running. This FACT was made clear by the fact that Hagi was on court a full 5 minutes before his opponent during the change of ends despite being down 11-9. Your friend proceeded to get one point after the turn as Hagis dominated the game. Why you ask well because I believe him not only to be fitter but have a more sound all round game.

3) The doubles game was only at the beginning when you received the dodgy call, you lost 21-13 which does not suggest it was close. Dodgy call or not you were never going to win that game in my opinion.

4) Ask your friend Stephen if he thinks Hagi was a cheat, it seemed during the final Hagi overruled one of the umpire’s calls and called a shot in when it had been called out thus resulting in your pal gaining a substantial lead.

All in all the better player won, why don’t you just apolgise and let this go. Your only making yourself look like a spoilt little brat.

[matrix2353]

Infact Stephen said before he went on before the game that he was tired and said at a certain he jus lost it. Also maybe you are right Hagi can be credited for his honesty in the singles final and i guess maybe he is an honest, i believe his partner made the call in the doubles but nevertheless he plasy with him and if the call hadnt been made i believe my partner wouldhave kept his composure and we would have battled on to win, whether or not that of such is true. My partner has a temper and got anger from the obvious call

[Mr T]

How would you feel if someone labelled you a cheat because your partner gave a dodgy call? Everybody at the back of the court heard Hagi tell his partner he "didnt f*****g see it". How could Stephen be tired he must have had at least 30 mins in between his last group game and the final in fact he didnt even have to play a semi he got a bye!!! Face it Hagi deserved to win and you would have been beaten as well if you faced him" Stephen is a far better player than you and he got humped!

[matrix2353]

right ok Hagi a hope you know this Mr T cause hes slightly obssesed with you

[matrix2353]

Yeah Stephen is a far better player than me but then i believe he is more than Hagi as well and as he explained before the game he was tired but not so much physically as it was his arm which was hurting

[Mr T]

[edited due to inappropriate language]

And your not obbessed with him? I spoke to him at the weekend and mearly putting across what i think, mainly due to the fact you have posted a lot of ****e about him. At least he has the dignity not to gloat!

[matrix2353]

what can he gloat about the singles as we didnt even play and the doubles has been discussed quite a few times already

[Mr T]

You must be really thick if you cant work out what he has to gloat about?

[matrix2353]

Go explain then what he has to gloat about. Yes he can gloat he won the singles tournament but not 2 me directly so please go ahead explain Mr Hagi admirer

[tango]

my two penneth: i was at inverness as well and i gotta say two things - hagi is a talented player and matrix - at this juncture, give it up mate!
the more you say, the deeper the hole you're digging!

good luck in the future fellas!

the tango doll!

[matrix2353]

Yep its a big hole but thats jus the fing am no fallin in it

[redkingjoe]

hehehe,

tango was merely trying to be polite, she wanted to give u hints so that you can discover where you are now...(note: a frog in the well does not know that it is inside the well)

beware

[matrix2353]

Yes well i will most likely be playing at the Bonanza coming next and i improved alot from Peebles to Inverness and intend to do so from now to the next.