lets all comply!!

[soup]

i give up. why complain about badminton and it's many failings, then do nothing? worried that you may risk your or your kids selection by upsetting the powers that be??!!!
the thing is, most people on this site are complaining anyway, so why are they not looking at other angles??
oh i forgot, we are british, we don't complain and make a spectacle of oursleves.
lets just talk about it, the game lacks tv appeal, atmosphere etc etc. it's pretty shambolic. badminton really does need a total kick up the arse in the form of fresh thought.

soup

[Phil McBride]

Feel free to take on the issues and resolve at your leisure


Do you have an action plan becasue i think people have been here before


i give up. why complain about badminton and it's many failings, then do nothing? worried that you may risk your or your kids selection by upsetting the powers that be??!!!
the thing is, most people on this site are complaining anyway, so why are they not looking at other angles??
oh i forgot, we are british, we don't complain and make a spectacle of oursleves.
lets just talk about it, the game lacks tv appeal, atmosphere etc etc. it's pretty shambolic. badminton really does need a total kick up the arse in the form of fresh thought.

soup

[soup]

after 20 years working with critical paths, business plans and deadlines don't doubt.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

so..... what is it then?

[soup]

have already broached this on a previous thread

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

discussed it, broached it, ranted about it...... or

done something about it?

[soup]

you wait until someone does something then jump on the band wagon then at the first signs of any upset or ill feeling you will be gone like the wind.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

well, actually.... relying on others to back you up before you go and do something about it.... immediatley projects a lack of confidence in your own project.

What you need is someone to start the ball rolling (or shuttle flying) and others to snowball into it..... is that not the point?

[Phil McBride]

you wait until someone does something then jump on the band wagon then at the first signs of any upset or ill feeling you will be gone like the wind.

Just like the commy games issue Soup???

From my experience all you do is come on here and rant, compare the old with the new and piss off back under the rock you crawled out from saying this and that which bears sweet fanny addams to what is going on in the here and now - action plans and business are all very well but what have they got to do with badminton unless your business is badminton which it isn't???

I dont doubt you have a trade and work somewhere and in all actuality you are probably very good at it, nerds always are - so why not keep your head down and go back to doing it rather than sniping from the tree lines trying to take pot shots if you aren't prepared to do or have somehting done about it (and by that i mean the current situation of the game that displeases you)

[soup]

i rest my case. to have played the game at a high level then enjoy a pretty successful sales career sounds pretty normal to me.
dread to think what you class as insane. you are entitled naturally to your opinion but, if i am a nerd you are one of the herd, so you just go and carry on with your monotone persona and bring to badminton what you have been, a total lack of atmosphere and dis-interest from the masses.
bring your one liner quipps out if you like, you are obviously of the opinion that the game is flourishing and enjoying so much of a boom, that organisations can't handle demand.


denial is a great world to live in.


happy 2007 phil or may i call you stevie wonder

[soup]

stevie, i don't recall offering regular fred trueman-esque "it was always better in my day" scenarios. the game has far more funding and facilities than when i palyed, no doubt. are there as many people playing? no that is factual. are they better today than 20 years ago. no idea.
my gripe is with the powers that be globally and the way they preach badminton. if you accept organisations now benefit from much higher levels of funding (which even you must concede), then why is the game still considered in the manner it is?
is it marketing, lack of advertising, one dimensional thought or just too many people who are not sufficiently talented to take the game forward. you tell me then. if you are happy with the state of the game or relaxed with those who are trying to sell the game, i personally question your tactical/ strategic ability.

what line of business were you in yourself?

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

i give up. why complain about badminton and it's many failings, then do nothing? worried that you may risk your or your kids selection by upsetting the powers that be??!!!
the thing is, most people on this site are complaining anyway, so why are they not looking at other angles??
oh i forgot, we are british, we don't complain and make a spectacle of oursleves.
lets just talk about it, the game lacks tv appeal, atmosphere etc etc. it's pretty shambolic. badminton really does need a total kick up the arse in the form of fresh thought.

soup

what is making you any different from the very people you are criticising for complaining and doing nothing about it?

At this moment, you seem very much part of the problem Soup.

All talk and no walk Soup son.

The fact that "once" you played to a decent level but are now not involved in the sport on any active level, but like to cast your bit shows you a bit hypocritical.

Scottys....! Always whinging about something!

[soup]

smart arse, how do you know i am not doing anything about it? until you have walked in my shoes do not assume.

[Phil McBride]

i rest my case. to have played the game at a high level then enjoy a pretty successful sales career sounds pretty normal to me.
dread to think what you class as insane. you are entitled naturally to your opinion but, if i am a nerd you are one of the herd, so you just go and carry on with your monotone persona and bring to badminton what you have been, a total lack of atmosphere and dis-interest from the masses.
bring your one liner quipps out if you like, you are obviously of the opinion that the game is flourishing and enjoying so much of a boom, that organisations can't handle demand.


denial is a great world to live in.


happy 2007 phil or may i call you stevie wonder

Well playing the game at a high level and having a great sales career must be just rosy Soup, i'm glad i dont play to a high level and actually have a character, i think having clout away from the game actually means more to me than being highly thoughgt of. As i said before Soup (and i was waiting for you to turn up at Scotstoun when you said you would) and you can read any of my posts on the subject, Scottish badminton is ****ed up to the extent that a juniors mum petitioned coaches to get their child in a squad along with that child having others post crap on this site to make their case look stronger - until you know the exact extent of the situation please just go have a big glass of shut the f**k up!

If you think so highly of Tom then just get in touch and i'm sure he would be able to fill you in but like the rest of us we actually realised teh game was on a down turn when we lost Callum fom the game after winning a European bronze.

Maybe you should go do your research and if you think you could do a better job than Anne Smilie be my guest to get in the mix, otherwise just keep screaming from the comfort of your study.

And as for drawing a crowd im quite sure i played a bonanza in milton keynes a couple of years ago that drew a large crowd, the game going all teh way to the third with a lot of banter between the players, if thyre still around on here im sure they will confirm im certaainly less than monotone.

But come on soup lets hear your plans since you are obviousley better equiped to run things than the powers that be......................

Still waiting...................

[Phil McBride]

Scottys....! Always whinging about something!

Ahem............

[soup]

like i said, you comply if you wan't to. from my perspective, lets use the old football term, if you lose your manager who is going to take the job? do you honestly sit on that hugh horse of yours and think anne smillie is the person most talented for the job???
there are plenty of people in the sports indusrty alone who have lost their jobs in recent years (from senior management positions and marketeers) who would love to take up badmintons brief.
take dunlop slazenger for example which, was bought by a man you will have never heard of, mike ashley.
carlton, that great brand has mike ashley to thank for it's ultimate demise. talk to tommy if you like, he and i have many a debate on this subject. you are light years behind.

research? if i had a pound for every person i could introduce you to who would relish a job promoting and changing badminton's age old face, from the sports trade alone, the silence would be deafening. don't believe me? ask tom seeing as you seem to know him better than i. oh by the way it was he that introduced me to the trade in the first place over 17 years ago at carlton as a salesman and coached me prior to that for 6 years previous.



perhaps you will be teliing me also that i don't have sufficient business contacts to come up with any form of badminton concept???


oh by the way, who would you have in those key positions both in scotland and england and if no change why? names please?

[Phil McBride]

like i said, you comply if you wan't to. from my perspective, lets use the old football term, if you lose your manager who is going to take the job? do you honestly sit on that hugh horse of yours and think anne smillie is the person most talented for the job???
there are plenty of people in the sports indusrty alone who have lost their jobs in recent years (from senior management positions and marketeers) who would love to take up badmintons brief.
take dunlop slazenger for example which, was bought by a man you will have never heard of, mike ashley.
carlton, that great brand has mike ashley to thank for it's ultimate demise. talk to tommy if you like, he and i have many a debate on this subject. you are light years behind.

research? if i had a pound for every person i could introduce you to who would relish a job promoting and changing badminton's age old face, from the sports trade alone, the silence would be deafening. don't believe me? ask tom seeing as you seem to know him better than i. oh by the way it was he that introduced me to the trade in the first place over 17 years ago at carlton as a salesman and coached me prior to that for 6 years previous.



perhaps you will be teliing me also that i don't have sufficient business contacts to come up with any form of badminton concept???


oh by the way, who would you have in those key positions both in scotland and england and if no change why? names please?

Soup, before i wase any more time on this please be as kind to actually read the posts in these forums and i think you will only find a handfull that praise Anne Smilie, but instead of saying that you have contacts (we all do Soup and I can cite a great many more that you because of the position i have) please please please stop talking trash and do somehting.

I'm not interested in a who can piss higher up the wall competition becasue as far as i can see the chosen one is correct and you are full of hot air; things have changed since you wore (presumably all white) the attire of a player and there are other Scots that have gone to a higher level and their peers respect tehm for it as the majority rallied behind them when they were trying to get a team selected for the commys (where were you and your business plan then?),if these players who by no means are stupid dont want the position you should maybe start to ask yourself why???

Who are you gonna get to replace Anne Smilie or Iain Wright?

Remember Soup i wasnt the one that came on here heralding myself as the lord protector of the game and the one who can change everything with a well cut suit and a portfolio with some ideas in it.


And Soup, you keep going on about Carlton and the other relics from your past - who is light years behind? Why dont you roll them out to support your new venture of being the man that turns Scotland into the new Denmark or why stop there, why not aim to be the new China. Maybe your relics could form the new guard and show the youngsters how its done. Of all of the people in the sports industry why have none of them taken up the gauntlet?

I'm like everyone else here Soup, i'm not realy interested in idiots thinking they can make a difference by spouting crap, i'm only interested in supporting people who actually try to make a difference and thats how you earn respect Soup, not the trash talking and the old "i've been a player, so i know what i'm talking about" just look at what John Barnes did at Celtic - great player **** manager!

Any more footbal analogies or sayings you want to give me? For every point you or i make there can be a couterpoint raised - but then again i probably cant see that from my aloof high horse :rolleyes:


Compliance Soup? Not I!

[soup]

i might have known. mcbride and celtic how did i miss it. you celts are all the same, you answer the questions you pose and you still retort.

reply again if you like it won't be read.


i know now why you didn't mention coaching juniors. dodgy ground for a celt?


badders.com, nice knowing ya

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

lol,

soup son, you havin a bit of a mid-life crisis?

not getting your nuts enough?

see you in 6 months you screwball!!


:D

[Phil McBride]

i might have known. mcbride and celtic how did i miss it. you celts are all the same, you answer the questions you pose and you still retort.

reply again if you like it won't be read.


i know now why you didn't mention coaching juniors. dodgy ground for a celt?


badders.com, nice knowing ya

Still waiting on how you're going to change things with your "business plan" and your capital venture Soup. It's one thing to start a thread on how your going to change things and how we cant comment becasue we dont know your plans.

I think i know them well enough - bring back Carlton, Bill McElroy and everything is sorted.

Until you can walk the walk and stop talking the biggest load of **** keep your mouth shut!

But then again you used to be something in the game - oop's (used to be) kind of rings home the truth.

[alansd]

I think there might be a bit of opposition in bringing Bill Mcilroy back!!
Just a hunch!

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Who is this Bill Mcilroy?

Educate the chosen one please.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Thanks for the PM ladybird you just ruined the Chosen Ones new year dinner!!

Jokes on that topic are out of order Soup, good to see the back of your sorry ass!

Back on topic now, help me out here!!

[Phil McBride]

OMG one of my posts was edited by the powers????

All becasue Soup took a bottle of WHINE firstfooting with him :(


Back on topic 2007:

Soup is now running the country wearing a plaid 3 piece suit and winkle pickers, carrying a white board where he jots down his ad hok business plans on the go, tipping his bowler hat to the ladies that pass him by in the street as he waits on his horse drawn carriage (he would use technology like PDA's or some 3G mobiles, cars etc but they don't remind him of the past so they are frowned upon).

Badminton is now the number one sport in the country becasue all others are banned and all sports studies degrees are now primarily badminton based with some small literal references to fringe sports like football, athletics, rugby etc to fill up those blank spaces at the back of textbooks. All businesses revolve around the huge turnover badminton provides the nation which is now an amalgamation of the uk member states, Denmark, China, North America and any other country with over a few thousand players.

Any child who looks as if they could make a potential star is taken from their parents and forced to train 29 hours per day (time has now been changed to tailor the calendar to training sessions and competition seasons), any child who neglects their badminton history in school is taken and flogged, if they are overweight and can't perform basic fast foot exercises they are thown in jail until they comply with the soup kitchen state

The UK has gone down the road of Baseball world series where we only invite a single entry from Bolivia to compete in the world Championships which all other countries are excluded in case they can actually play and everyhting is right in the world becasue when the badminton sorted itself out at the hands of soup and his business plan our other problems in the world like wars and famine somehow just went away :rolleyes:

Somehow i think in the bigger scheme of things badminton equates to nothing and in reality those that think there can be money generated from it and it's movement are deluding themselves especialy in a provincial state like the UK - until John McEnroe wants to play badminton and engages the masses we are screwed.

Hows that for ya chosen, have i taken it too far?

How about a nice big cuppa Soup?

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

:D

So we need a John McEnroe then Phil?

Are there any more DIY screwballs still involved in the game, now that they have all taken up sales careers?

None really down here Im afraid Phil, all a bit sterile on the character front!

Any suggestions?

[Phil McBride]

:D

So we need a John McEnroe then Phil?

Are there any more DIY screwballs still involved in the game, now that they have all taken up sales careers?

None really down here Im afraid Phil, all a bit sterile on the character front!

Any suggestions?

We could just get the players from the good old days to play now and the ones that we are developing should all just be shot, how dare tehy go to things like European juniors and world championships.........

just who do they think they are, they should be locked up in the stocks for old crones to throw rotting fruit at them.

And the managers, well dont get me started or i'll have to come up with some kind of secret business plan that i can't tell anyone about but i am doing something not just venting plasma

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Soup,

If you have something to say then say it the open forum and don't take your personal anger elsewhere via private messages.

I have no time for sympathy hunters and those who victimisie themselves, venting their anger at others.

Jokes of that nature are out of order regardless.

Don't justify your position, and then justify your right to mock the situation and the many thousands affected by this each and every year.

You come on here with good ideas, great ideas maybe... but implementation is key.

Untill you are prepared to stand up and be counted you remain very much the blow hard that you stand here criticising everyone else of being.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

We could just get the players from the good old days to play now and the ones that we are developing should all just be shot, how dare tehy go to things like European juniors and world championships.........

just who do they think they are, they should be locked up in the stocks for old crones to throw rotting fruit at them.

And the managers, well dont get me started or i'll have to come up with some kind of secret business plan that i can't tell anyone about but i am doing something not just venting plasma

Well you've still got your man Dan Travers, surely Dan could be teaching them all a bit of the good stuff, get a bit of entertainmnet back into the old game?

[faultserver]

Can I suggest that we are possibly entering dangerous territory here and maybe it would be best to discuss this via the private forum?

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Can I suggest that we are possibly entering dangerous territory here and maybe it would be best to discuss this via the private forum?

You can suggest it. Yes.

:D

[AXC]

i give up. why complain about badminton and it's many failings, then do nothing? worried that you may risk your or your kids selection by upsetting the powers that be??!!!
the thing is, most people on this site are complaining anyway, so why are they not looking at other angles??
oh i forgot, we are british, we don't complain and make a spectacle of oursleves.
lets just talk about it, the game lacks tv appeal, atmosphere etc etc. it's pretty shambolic. badminton really does need a total kick up the arse in the form of fresh thought.

soup

A lot of this goes on. Upsetting the powers that be is a very real problem. They have many ways at getting back at you if you dare to point out a problem or an unfairness, particularly in the junior area. In defense of BE I think they are joining the 21st century and getting down on paper selection criteria. You should read them, they are on the web site, and challenge them if you think the rules are being broken. Unfortunately there is still a lot of dead wood on the important BE committees so not all the blame can be laid at the door of the high-profile MK people that we all know and love.

As to kicking badminton up the arse and coming up with fresh thoughts it is easy to say and difficult to do. Many of the people contributing to this site have been involved in badminton administration and promotion and have probably found that after trying everything they can they realise that football gets all the kids and golf, swimming and tennis get all the money