Hampshire Open

[Powerplay]

Anyone know when Hampshire draw is published?

[Woody]

Hampshire don't normally publish the draw until the day and having been at the tournament all day assisting I can understand perfectly why.

Three men pulled out of the Singles last evening including seeds.

The number one ladies seed pulled out because they are still in the Welsh Open.

Alans'd got a call at 2330 yesterday "you were a reserve and are now in the singles be on court at 0930"

There were numerous people entered in both the Welsh and this competition and the Committee were sweating on whether more people were going to turn up. I have to say I think its a little discourteous of players to eneter two competitions over the same period.

Why should a Committee/ Referee go to a lot of trouble getting a draw ready when you know what will happen as it did today many people pull out because they have done better in one competition.

Its all very well asking for more competitions / tournaments but they do not just happen, they take organising to start with and running on the day. It is extremely dissapointing when loads of people don't turn up (my personal views)

As far as the tournament goes today what about 'Kimboshay' out first round in the singles last year and this year wins through to the semi-finals where she takes a game off the eventual winner Hannah Littlecott.

Luncheon still going in the Doubles, Alans'd was up against a seed early on in the singles. In the doubles he was in a scratch pairing and played better in the second game once he and his partner worked out what they were doing.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Those found to be entering events in the same week ... fine them all !!

:mad:

[Markymark]

Do players get fined for pulling out so near to the competition?

[Woody]

I have no idea but I would doubt it as the event is not actually run by BE.

It depends I suppose on what the Referee puts intheir report to BE.

One of the seeds pulled out because his girlfriend was doing well in Wales and he couldn't leave her stranded. He is a personal friend of mine so he will get some ribbing from me when I see him next!!

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

I have no idea but I would doubt it as the event is not actually run by BE.

It depends I suppose on what the Referee puts intheir report to BE.

One of the seeds pulled out because his girlfriend was doing well in Wales and he couldn't leave her stranded. He is a personal friend of mine so he will get some ribbing from me when I see him next!!

Thats a fair withdrawal though, never nice to be stranded alone in Wales !!

The other however ... should Hampshire not really investigate all those double entering and sabotaging their event ?

[Woody]

Poor Luncheon, didn't play well today lost in the quarters.

Fair play to him he did behave and was not at risk from a 'Card' which would have been ironic as I was his Umpire.

Kimbo got to the qtrs in the ladies with Singles winner Hannah Littlecott but no further.

Men's singles won by Graham Hurrell who beat Richard Wrigley

Hurrell won the Men's doubles with James alsofrom Dorset

Ladies Singles saw Littlecott beat Caroline Simpson, I umpired this match yesterday and I couldn't pick a winner at 19-19 in the third.

Ladies doubles won by Kat Gittens and Kelly Whiting beat Sarah Burges and I can't remember her partners name.

Mixed doubles still being played when I left.

Final is between Chris Roe/ Jo Dix and Scott Webber/ Julie Pike

[Woody]

Mixed won by Roe / Dix.

Full results on www.hampshirebadminton.co.uk/files/180.xls

[FutureChamp]

Alan got a call at 11.30pm???? Ridiculous. No doubt he was tucked up in bed at the time.................

[Luncheon]

apparantly he was looking for his keys?

[Powerplay]

Those found to be entering events in the same week ... fine them all !!

:mad:

I agree....fine all who entered both events or exclude them from next years tournament!

It is not fair to all the players who want to play circuit tourneys but aren't ranked high enough for automatic entry!

[Luncheon]

Er....fine all players who entered both events.....what even the ones who still turned up and played?
That sounds like the voice of someone who doesn't play?

I entered both events, with the absolute belief I would be beaten in the Welsh and still get to play the Hampshire...this happened and you now want to fine me??? :mad:

[pompey]

What if you had a couple of walkovers? Would you have quit the Welsh to play in Hampshire? Either way it's going to complicate things. I agree with those who think it's having the proverbial cake and eating it.

[Luncheon]

agreed, but unlikely to happen.....I think its worse to enter and then pull out if you reach the second day...a few had county matches and last year people pulled out because they didn't want to or couldn't afford to play a second day.
But no one's mentioning that so far.........


Also.....did someone mention cake??????

[Powerplay]

its obvious that you only punish players who don't turn up to play because of doing better than expected in the other event...its not fair to tournament organisers or reserve players waiting on your results.

if you had an 'absolute belief' that you were going to be beaten in the welsh open why bother entering or were you just hedging your bets ??

must cost you a fortune in entry fees.....

[Luncheon]

the one ebu tournament a year....because its two hours drive, and no I wasn't expecting to win anything.....just going for the experience, because I could get time off work and afford to go.......was very fortunate to win a couple of games and the experience to play at that level was great....one of the highlights of a county badminton "career".

Money....well...I believe the Welsh was about 20quid, the Hampshire (just mens doubles.....didn't enter mixed, coz if the miracle happened and didn't come back from welsh, didn't let anyone else down) was £13 or 14?? So for once a year.....£30 odd quid is about the same as two events at a challenger and they're just as far to travel.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Er....fine all players who entered both events.....what even the ones who still turned up and played?
That sounds like the voice of someone who doesn't play?

I entered both events, with the absolute belief I would be beaten in the Welsh and still get to play the Hampshire...this happened and you now want to fine me??? :mad:

There shouldn't be one rule for International Badminton and one rule for Hampshire ... it may be Gods County, but rules are rules.

[alansd]

It was quite embarrasing as I didnt expec to be playing until half one so had to leave the pub to answer tyhe phone call.
Get there in time to find I am at the bottom of the draw and could have had an extra hour in bed.
Mixed doubles has a first round game that could have gone either way only to be on court warming up to be told our opponents has to withdraw because of injury. Then had to wait another hour and a half for Scott webber and julie pike cause they did have a first round match.
Sat about till about 8pm to go on and get spanked.
Also got hit on the nose by a racket and managed to kick one of the boxes for putting your kti in onto another court during a particularly long mens doubles and retrieve it before anyone on court had noticed!
WHAT A DAY!
Oh and left my bloody keys in hampshire!
Alan got a call at 11.30pm???? Ridiculous. No doubt he was tucked up in bed at the time.................

[Woody]

I don't blame Lunchmeat for entering the EBU tournament and the Hampshire Open. He was never going to be playing in the Singles so knew he would not be playing in Winchester until the afternoon and as No 1 seed was possibly going to get a bye.

Was he going to progress beyond the qtrs in Wales on saturday morning!! I very much doubt in so he took a reasonable gamble.

My reasoning for raising the issue was not to subjecting players to the liklihood of a fine but more to point out that there are dangers when publishing a draw early which is the main reason why Hampshire committee don't do it.

They printed a program only two days before the event which looked not a lot like what actually happened on the day

Committies are often slated for not doing things but people you try it and see if you can do it better.

Alan'sd we made an announcement about the keys but I don't think that was done until yesterday.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

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Alan'sd we made an announcement about the keys but I don't think that was done until yesterday.

Only Alan would mistake the Hampshire Open for a swingers party ... you sure you didn't just leave your keys in the bowl Alan when you saw the talent on offer ? Head first through the nearest window was it ?

[Luncheon]

Woody - very few sat's actually publish the draw before the event.

Chosen One, ask him where he left his keys in the hope of the swingers party!!!:rolleyes:

[alansd]

When I left there was a bit of action happening in the mens showers...... thats what made my exit a bit sharper than it should have been and so left my keys behind!

[Powerplay]

I don't blame Lunchmeat for entering the EBU tournament and the Hampshire Open. He was never going to be playing in the Singles so knew he would not be playing in Winchester until the afternoon and as No 1 seed was possibly going to get a bye.

Was he going to progress beyond the qtrs in Wales on saturday morning!! I very much doubt in so he took a reasonable gamble.

My reasoning for raising the issue was not to subjecting players to the liklihood of a fine but more to point out that there are dangers when publishing a draw early which is the main reason why Hampshire committee don't do it.

They printed a program only two days before the event which looked not a lot like what actually happened on the day

Committies are often slated for not doing things but people you try it and see if you can do it better.

Alan'sd we made an announcement about the keys but I don't think that was done until yesterday.


Woody - You now say Luncheon took a 'reasonable gamble entering' both events and have changed your view as previously stated:

'I have to say I think its a little discourteous of players to eneter two competitions over the same period.

Why should a Committee/ Referee go to a lot of trouble getting a draw ready when you know what will happen as it did today many people pull out because they have done better in one competition.

Its all very well asking for more competitions / tournaments but they do not just happen, they take organising to start with and running on the day. It is extremely dissapointing when loads of people don't turn up (my personal views)'

From your umpire's perspective do you agree that rules must be consistantly & fairly applied to all players or do you now believe lunch was an exception & right to enter both?

[Woody]

Firstly

From an Umpires view of course the laws of badminton must be applied correctly at all times without fear or favour.

Secondly rules about entering too many competitions and pulling out are not within the laws of the game so it is not for an Umpire to make judgement on.

My original comments on this thread were about the 'no draw before the competition' which some players on other threads have previously been critical of. I cannot see why people get so hung up about seeing the draw before the day but I have never been a 'player' of any standing so it has never been a big thing for me.

My criticisims are towards those players who just pull out having entered two competitions which potentially clash. I have never advocated fining anyone for pulling out.

As for Lunchmeat I am not having a go at him. He took what was a reasonable gamble. It might not have paid off if they had won their second match in Wales cos he would have had to play on Saturday morning and then driven like fury to get to Hampshire. As he says its the one EBU tournament he can enter which is close to home.

My mainpoint is that as an organiser it is very frustrating to find these things happening but you just get on with it because thats what organisers do. In a competition where there are reserves waiting to get into main draws as Alans'd had to do its not very good getting late calls especially when you have to travel.

What orgainsers want is a full draw with the best players possible in the competition.

[Powerplay]

I find it unusual that a tournament organiser does not advocate punishment for players who withdraw at late notice due to entering 2 tournaments in light of the additonal grief it causes.

If players can be fined £50- for turning up late there should at least be a similar punishment for late withdrawal.

I agree that organisers want a full draw with best players possible but not at expense of reserve players.

Out of interest were you involved in organising Hamshire open?

[Woody]

Other than assisting with running the tournament on the day no I was not the organiser.

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

When I left there was a bit of action happening in the mens showers...... thats what made my exit a bit sharper than it should have been and so left my keys behind!

Lunchmeat caught in action at the Hampshire Open changing rooms ....

www.actionphotography.co.uk

[kimboshay]

He has properly eyed up Alans keys aswell!!

[Luncheon]

damn I look quite cool when "in action" :cool:

[TheChosenOneReturns!]

Pretty unorthodox way to receive serve, but if it works it works ...

[AXC]

I understand the annoyance of waiting to see how someone gets on in the Welsh before coming to the local tournament.

There are not enough tornament competitors to be that fussy. In tennis it would not be a problem because you would get loads of players for the local tournament so you would be in a position to refuse those from the Welsh.

If your local tournaments are anything like ours you will bend over backwards to accept as big an entry as possible. I don't care where they come from, I just want many, reasonable standard players to make a good, enjoyable, competative weekend.

Your local tournament may benefit from having an "international" player that did not do too well in the Welsh as they may all have heard of them.

Until badminton becomes a top, television sport we will have to put up with all this aggro.