u17 chances at 6 nations next year!

[tomdunlop]

i just thought id ask peoples opinions on how we'll do at next years six nations? personally i think we've got a very good chance to end denmarks 26 x gold run!

[thetruesouth]

yeah for sure we almost one last time at u15 level. not blaming anyone (sorry from me and tom)

[georgelarge]

So who do you think will be in the team then?

[thetruesouth]

u wish theresa, he he

[georgelarge]

I was thinking of the vets! Seriously, if you think we have a good chance then who would you put in the team, put your money where your mouth is! Does anyone else have any views on the possible success of the Under 17 team in the 6 Nations? Will home ground have any effect?

[thetruesouth]

OK, TOM singles ANDY singles Jenny and Michelle singles , doubles: andy and dean / tom and mark. girls doubles: jenny and ruth / liz and becky.
Mark and Liz mixed sound ok?????

[JohnEllis]

I agree with the sentiments here. But lets not get carried away. Next years 6 Nations is almost a year away.
Mark's team is right at present but will it be so obvious come selection time? Will everybody be fit?
There is a lot of work to be put in (now in the classroom hopefully- GCSE time) and then training throughout the summer in readiness for the Danish Cup.
If the training pays off and we are succesful at Under 17 level in this we will have to improve again because the Danes will work their socks off to ensure their winning streak is not broken.
So lets not assume we will win it but work hard to ensure we win it.
Yes i believe you can do it and will be there to give as much support as i can.

[wardie]

i think you've got a wicked chance next year to beat denmark - lets face it, its about time they were beaten!!!!

[thetruesouth]

Its in England, it would be nice if we had some support.

[georgelarge]

Hello Mark, and everybody else! now that I have no responsibility for players in your age group, perhaps I will tell you what my current team would be? Then again, perhaps not (under protest)!! I do think that the Team may well be different at that time of the year, compared with the Team that will be selected for Danish cup, and Langenfeld (Individual). Some people who think their place is "safe" need to be aware of younger players, and rapidly improving players. I do believe that results will be what counts, and both domestic and International past performance will have to be taken in to account when the final team is chosen. (Jason)

[thetruesouth]

true comment, ive always loved listening to your views jas, theyr'e good but radical at times.

[JohnEllis]

Surely if Jason was radical he would name his team here!
Perhaps he is mellowing or maybe he wants to take money off you Mark next season using his inside knowledge.

Anybody going to support the team out there?

[Trine]

nobodys got a chance against mighty denmark!!! (not being biased of course ;))

[JohnEllis]

Trine

Hope to see you there playing for the mighty Denmark or at least supporting them.

[Trine]

doubt ill get into the team, but i might be able to come support if im out of school at the time

[Ellis]

we are goin win now im back!!!!!!!!!!!!
only messin we will win it and bring home the bacon

[southernmonkey]

Andy
are you related to mark ellis who played up north who's about 34 years of age and was a decent player in his time. Hope not coz he looked like a cabbage patch kid.
Iam gunna support you geezers on tour and i might even bring da crew.
Denmark here we come.

[Foster]

its in england.so u can go to denmark if u wanna. hope u have fun.hahaha.who r u southern monkey?
y do u always slag of juniors.surely part of the reason juniors dont make it at senior level is people criticisin them, if ya criticise them they lose confidence so get behind em n stop bein miserable all your life ie bout raj.ok? right sorted.c'mon England!!!!
laters
ed
p.s.and no andy aint related to him.r u?or no one knows cos uve got a nice but slightly camp name.

[juniorbadmintonplayer]

well said ed-lets get behind the juniors-go on lads (n ladies of course) bring it home im sure u will.....rishman

[southernmonkey]

Now now girls and boys, no need to get nasty. You dont wana get your lottery money taken away do you. Where is this great spectacle held then girls and boys.
Edward are you related to the other two fosters from up north geezer. If you are,nuff respect to you son coz they is wicked. one of them is a bit too heavy now but the skinny one is quality, i hope you are as talented as them geezer. Keep flying the flag for the Fosters in the North.
I hope england do beat those Danes....

[PeteG]

Best of luck against the Danes guys, I hope you can keep living up to your potential.
Oh and Ed, don't bother listening to the negative stuff from people. If its constructive criticism then fair enough, but anything else is just crap anyway!

[Ellis]

no i aint related to him! why are you always having a dig at us juniors. i no for a fact in u17n age group we are all working hard and we beat these danes so can we get a bit of support! what u sed aboyut raj is wrong!! ive played the guy and he is awesome! nuff sed

[Foster]

will do pete.cheers. its jus annoyin listenin to people on here givin there so called knowledge puttin the juniors down,it aint gonna get us anywhere.especially players such as raj. who is just raw talent and an awesome guy.a sure thing as future national champ.
ed

[southernmonkey]

Come on youth of today, its only constructive critism. If you cant take that then sling your hook.
Andy my son you aint from the south so please dont try to talk like us geezer.

Raj aint bad but he aint nuffin special.
Keep the flag flying high like we used to thats all monkey asks.
What you youngsters need is some southern pride like the monkey when playing the Danes, smack em up thats what i say.
Ed my son, you listen to pete now he is right.

[Lewisio]

Monkey, you probably would't get so much grief if you gave us your real name and then we could look at your results and see if you were indeed the great international star you've claimed to be or simply a mediocre player taking this opportunity to have a go at people who are having the chance that you didn't.

[Grover]

The monkey man's real name was uncovered in an earlier thread.

[Lewisio]

I must have missed that and was it confirmed or just speculation?
Where can I find it?

[cederick]

Why don't the u.17 players stop worrying about what people have to say on here and go and do some training. I haven't seen any of them produce anything out of the ordinary to suggest they will go onto bigger and better things. I agree with Southern Monkey, Rag is OK but not fantastic, the rest of them are run of the mill players.

P.S. The grammar and spelling used by the junior players on this forum is shocking, may I suggest you pay a little more attention in your next English lessons.

[cederick]

Grover , all you do is have a go at Monkey etc. then Michael Banks comes on and backs you up

ARE YOU ONE OF THE SAME?

Keep on track and stop boring us. When was the last time you had something constructive to say?

[southernmonkey]

Girls and boys, give me what ya got. Iam good for it all.
If you think you know me then good luck to you sunny jims but you aint.
I will take any of them on you name the place and pay for the court ok and i will jump backhand smash them all like the monkey can.

[cederick]

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star,
Grover Michael Banks,
I know who you are!!

[cederick]

Site Support...leave me on, I speak the truth!!

I WANT JUSTICE!!

[Site Support]

As always, we are removing duplicitous posts and those that take the conversation away from the theme of the thread.

Thank you for your patience.

[southernmonkey]

I suppose it will only be southerners who take on the monkey coz most of my northern monkey relatives wont be able to pay for the court.
I will take on you grover or Michael banks any time any place and Raj.

[Grover]

Get a life! This site is for people who want to contribute to a badminton discussion, all you want to do is start arguments, go and cause trouble somewhere else.

[Site Support]

southern monkey - as someone who supports the site we don't want to have to remove you.

However, it would be advisable to keep the comments badminton related and maintain the threads on topic.

[southernmonkey]

Ok Site support i will say sorry.

I am very sorry for the critism i have given to these young players who i would wap up in two straight sets including king Raj.
It is not exceptable and i wont do it again Ed Foster but just remember the Monkeys always watching.

[ixxychicken]

sourthern monkey get a life! everyone knows who you are! even before you were uncovered on a previous thread. all this bitterness you hold....is it because you never made it yourself and are a down and out coach now?
and if i remember correctly Raj beat you last season in premier B in straight sets! so without a doubt all these juniors you are attacking could just as easily beat you - including me!!
GO ON THE JUNIORS!

[cederick]

I will take you on Monkey!

[southernmonkey]

Chicken my son,what ever geezer. You are right, you got me hook line and sinker.
Chicken i would destroy you with me forehand wip defence son.
COME ON THE JUNIORS.
Is that better?

[Ellis]

leave the chicken alone!!! so who r u? raj aint good then why did he whip u around? we will show you when we win the 6 nations then wont we!! if we got a full side out then we have a good chance! wot you got against ed aswell you keep sayin stuff about im and us yorkshire lot stick together! I DNT WANNA BE SOUTHERN

[clingfilm]

well said andy ellis. you guys stick together againt southern monkey until he comes out and say sorry to all these juniors he is attacking. great to know that raj stuffed the monkey.i like to see more of that before you under17s stuff denmark.chicken, if you are going to play monkey in the premier b let us know.

[Grover]

I think we would all buy tickets for that one ;)

[southernmonkey]

Monkey has never played king Raj. What you talk about, me dont play county. County is for woofders. i would crush king raj with my backhand defence malaysian style flicky flicky as i keep tellin all you Mo's.
Girlys and boys leave da big boy speaches to us mothers from down souff.
Raj is good coz he comes from the souff,nuff respect to raj, but the rest of you?
Laters.
Girlys can we get back 2 the fread bwanas.

[ixxychicken]

there is no north south / divide - especially if we are to beat the danes. Southern monkey doesn't speak for the rest of the southerners (he's in his own little dream world - bless him)
the juniors are, at the moment, the strongest theres been for a while and there is every chance that england can beat the danes with a bit of hard work.
its good to see that the juniors are keen even in their comments on this site. Good luck to you all!

When and where is it being played? maybe it should be more publicised so everyone can come and support the juniors playing

[ixxychicken]

southern monkey - stop with all the false claims and challenges - its kinda boring and childish! especially as we all know you haven't got the guts to go through with actually playing anyone. Why not make useful comments and constructive criticism instead of all the slagging off of the juniors?
this time next year ed foster, andy ellis, raj and tom dunlop will be out there achieving their potential, and you'll still be here being bitter... so sad.

but if you're man enough southern monkey....or is it southern mouse? ;-) why not actually go through with your 'hard man' claims and organise a exhibition match. I'm sure a lot of people on this site would like to see your skills on court, and if what you say is true(!), you will indeed be helping the juniors.

[southernmonkey]

Ixxy trixxy
are your best friends la la and po.
me and the geezers down souff wana match with the Chicken to see how good you is sunny.
Me comments aint false about de juniors, Raj aint bad and the rest of them? mmm nuffin special.
So Put your money where your mouth is and bet me our juniors get spanked by de Danes
Come on son put a monkey on it.
I dona know who the danes are but i bet they wap them cockey muthers up.
Come on England mmm.

[Concerned]

[Foster]

cheers chicken all u sed is true!!
southern monkey, do u know who we are(tom me n andy)? im just wonderin where u got ur opinions of us thats all.wat level do u play?
And for chicken the U17 6 nations will be played in milton keynes @ the badminton centre 22nd to 25th of april.
ed

[Foster]

cheers chicken all u sed is true!!
southern monkey, do u know who we are(tom me n andy)? im just wonderin where u got ur opinions of us thats all.wat level do u play?
And for chicken the U17 6 nations will be played in milton keynes @ the badminton centre 22nd to 25th of april.
ed

[southernmonkey]

Yeah me know who you northen monkeys are. You play for Newcastle club init or near there geezer.
You got two bro's that play at county me finks and they aint bad. Well the skinny one is better anyways. Me wants to see result before me gunna change me mind bout you yeah.
Start duffin em up at junior satalite's and get a good jump backhand smash like the monkey and me will start to big up the respect to ya 's all, even if you is from Newcastle.
Laters shling.

[RSole]

who the hell is this monkey? speaks a lot of stuff and challenges others. reveal yourself so that we may all judge your results!

someone says youve been exposed pal so why not tell us your highest position in england.

i reckon you aint any darren hall or anywhere near so until you show evidence put a shuttle in it.

anyone for getting back to some serious badders?

[cowan]

i am somewhat amused by all this banter regarding juniors etc., the more debate you have the more chance of people taking notice of their acheivements.as for you southern monkey you gave the game away some time ago when referring to your training days and five mile runs with ex national champions!you and i have met many times in the company of one particular southern softie with a "soft" spot for a northern football team.
i enjoy the wind up, keep it going your secret's safe with me!
to the rest of you if you want to give this "monkey" a slapping then i would be happy to arrange a venue, all you need is the ability! (he's no world beater but he can "seriously" play).
why don't we ask a couple of the top juniors to come along and perhaps make a day of it,at least you will find out who the monkey finally is.

[Ellis]

yeah thanks chicken! u cumin dwn to suport us then we need everyone there to make as much noise as they can! cum on monkey reveal urself so we can see your results!! ru cumin to 6 nations to judge for yourself how crap us juniors are?

[tomdunlop]

alright andy, southern monkey, do u not realise no one likes u! u keep on critisizin the juniors which aint gonna do us any good! n shut up about the northeners, u were sayin raj is crap, now ure sayin he's good cause he's southern! SHUT UP! get a life n stop reckin a good site that badminton needs to get it bigger and more popular! oh yeah n the way u speak has improved! innit man! safe as houses!

[southernmonkey]

WHO ME?
Never, i wouldn't slag you quality youngsters off. What ever gave you dat idea son.
Yes me is gunna b there to watch me compatriots duff up da youff of today at de 6 nations. Well Raj might do som duffing up but the rest of you future monksters will have to earn da respect of the monkey.
Big up all the backhand jump smasher's out dere.
I wil be wearing a signed shirt with a big monkey face on it at de 6 nations, sale price of 6 pound and 7 pound wif autograph.

[plien]

looking forward seeing you :S

[PeteG]

Oy!!! Monkey, put a sock in it, and stop typing like you've had your fingers smashed with a lumphammer!! Some of these juniors are improving at a rapid rate and deserve to be encouraged, results against the Danes show this. I can only really comment on Tom Dunlop having played him, but by the looks of it he's improving at a rapid rate. Tom, don't bother with this Southern Monkey, let your racket do the talking, in fact the same to all you England juniors. You're flying the good old St.George well at the moment, so don't worry about this negative crap unless its going to spur you on to perform!!

[southernmonkey]

Sorry peter but i did have me hand smashed by a lumphammer. How did you guess geezer it waz a lumphammer?
Thats why me backhand smash aint what it used to be eiver.
Listen to this geezer kids, he definately knows what hes talkin bout, he knew it was a lumphammer see.
Wicked geezer thats a good talent to have.

[Grover]

Does anyone have a list of the current squad and who they think will be playing next year?

[Foster]

hate to tell u matey but raj aint playin 6 nations as hes my age. ur well knowledgable........glad u know wat ur talkin bout hahahahahaha.wat a mincer!!

[southernmonkey]

Girls did i say Raj and 6 nations?
Just that he is de only one who is wapping up de others and gettin results, the rest of you aint.
Anyways wat is mincer, is that a Newcastle term for cool dude.
Ed my son you spend to much time on this bloody site.Get training and bring the monkey some results that he can be proud of dann south.
One more fing, the rest of you all dont put ya selfs in same boat as King raj coz it aint appening geezers, it just aint british.

[RSole]

Why don't site support remove this monkey? They have stopped users writting like txt on a phone yet the monkey writes rubbish!

And still continues to cause upset to others hiding behind a silly name!

[ixxychicken]

i seriously doubt raj is in the same boat as you 'mate' either!!

monkey - you and your other alter egos should go and have a discussion between yourselves elsewhere instead of having made up conversations all over this site!

this site is for serious discussion!

[Ellis]

hey up dunny!! thanks for ejectin me!! we are goin take the danes no worries!! monkey boy really what are you on you no nothin bout us at all so why slag us off! i dnt want your respect!!

[Ellis]

grover the current squad is
tom dunlop jenny wallwork
andy ellis liz brett
dean george michelle cheung
chris adcock becky fairhurst
pete fearns ruth coleman
mark james jess white/naomi tarry/
mariana agathangalou

thats in no order at all but thats a rough guide who may be in the team but it may change but thats it at current.

[viceast]

having been involved with the evolvement of english junior badminton i would like to suggest, in all seriousness, that there is a little merit in what mr southern monkey has to say.it may well be that we "give the danes a wapping" what is important is that those involved in this process continue to do the same. i know from experience that we can compete at this age, what matters to me is that we keep these youngsters involved at the same level as the danes when they become 20 and capable of performing on the big stage. this is what southern monkey is saying.we have had several youngsters, from darren hall onwards who have been superb at the age of 17+ and have won dozens of european titles.what matters is keeping their progress in line with what the danes have achieved.
it's great to see you attack southern monkey and confidently predict that we will succed at this level, but please don't think you are the first, i can tell you you're not. being honest i think the current crop of youngsters are the best for sometime but to be fair we have all been here before. time will tell.
check your records we have had european junior champions at junior level but what did they finish up with? nothing.
the only advice i can give you is to commit to the sport 100% if you don't - no chance! if this is too expensive, you need to educate yourself, you don't fancy it, ok but you've no hope in the big pond.
you have my best wishes.

ps southern monkey - i think i know who you are as well as michael cowan!!!

[clingfilm]

east,stuart,cowan,monkey

can you stop coming in different names!!!we know exactly who you are. since you do a load of good work for badminton we let you get away with your b***sh*t.
i know you like to see our juniors doing well. so keep your juniors coaching session going. you used to be a good player. now focus on your coaching and try to become a good southern coach and produce some results rather than spending time here on the web. i like to see your comments. but just use one name, monkey. that suits you well.

[viceast]

dear cling film
your comments are both erroneous and disturbing. yes i know who southern monkey is but i can assure you i am not him.neither am i the other two you mention.
you really ought to pay attention to what you are reading rather than play detective! you are badders answer to clouseau!!
for my part i have been professionally involved in badminton for "over" twenty years, i doubt southern monkey was out of school when i started.
you have the right to call my comments bull****, but could you tell me your background in the sport? your nom de plume is unhelpful in this respect and you have no profile.
if you play then please advise as to your next tournament i guarantee to watch and give you my thoughts on your ability.i sincerely hope it's better than your detective work.
it's great to correspond with you but please don't get really "deep" personal as you will make a complete "monkey" of yourself.
to the rest of the names you mentioned i can only thank them for appearing to be me in your eyes.if there is anybody out there that can vouch for my comments then i would like to hear from you.

[clingfilm]

vic, i am sorry if you are real. we all are badminton players at different level and we love this game. and now that we have got a great site like this badders.com to discuss and promote our game.but what we are seeing here, is monkey fighing chicken and more monkeys appear in different names to support the king monkey.
juniors thread is very popular and our juniors need loads of encouragement and support.predictions like "she won't make it or he won't make it" and comments like "it is a waste of baofe money" and so on from some of us are not helpful either. i suspected you as monkey because of your comments about simon archer. that is a typical steriotype monkey comment. simon is a great player and a great personality. so your comment about him is not very appropriate, especially soon after achieving such a great publicity in the whole of the sports world not just in badminton. that is why i called your comments as b***sh*t. anyway i am sorry if i upset you.please come back with good comments and support our great game.

[viceast]

cling film
thank you for the apology, i accept this in the spirit it was intended. i am DEFINITELY REAL, i do not play, i do not coach, but i am as passionate about the way badminton is managed/governed as anyone else. i have no agenda to "knock" individuals but i have been involved for a very long time and, in my opinion, badminton is not progressing the way it should. the reason i am on the site is that this is nothing new.
however we have to believe in the youngsters ability to come good, if not we might as well pack it in and take up knitting.(no aggravation from the knit one purl one people please)
my comments about the "buzzard"/superstars to which you refer are my view and i stick to them.time will tell if i'm right or wrong about his ability to make it back to the top, like you i will apologise if i'm wrong (and be delighted to do so).
good luck to you and thanks for believing me.

[frenchy]

My feelings exactly Vic.
You have explained well to the boys and girls out there what the monkey has been trying to say all along.
The monkey isnt slatting the youngster's of today but making dem realise dat he will respect these young ones when they haven't chucked in the towel at 19 to 21.
The monkster will respect when you is duffin the Danes at 25 and 26 years old and winning the big boyz trophy.
Big up the maidstone posse.

[sonnyjim]

I have to admit Clingfilm that i haven't read any post's from SM or VE that have said the things that you say they have said.
At the end of the day it seems to be you who has been aggressive towards other's.
I am new on this site and play in a small club. I will be going to see the under 17's play at MK now because on reading some of their post,they seem to be very sure of them selves as most young people are and they will probably have to learn the hard way.
I think at their age they should be able to take constructive critism by now.

[tomdunlop]

so your sayin that constructive critiscm is callin us crap and tellin us were not gonna make it? oh right, makes sense! maybe u should take this constructive critiscm and get off the site?! we need to hear people supporting us telling us that we have good potential and not sayin were crap! after all, if none of us make it then badminton could be really doomed! if we get beat then fair enough but we dont need people tellin us that were gonna get whipped and there's no chance!

[Lyphane]

The problem is that their are so many decent players evolving that are not getting any recognition for their skills.

I saw this kid last week who had the most perculiar yet unique style. This kid was very overweight, after having just broken the record for the 'most pies in a minute' competition. His opponent hit the shuttle deep into the backhand corner, and I was just standing there thinking 'how on earth would be get that?'

What I saw next was quite revolutionary. The boy tucked his head, arms and legs into the layers of flap to make a perfect sphere and with a cry, 'Let's roll!', rolled straight to the backhand corner in a flash. Then as the shuttle came towards him, he took his right arm out along with the racket, and power rolled into it. The power he got behind it was amazing.

I dont want to have a go, but I've seen people who can do net shots quicker that some of you can smash and as for the angle you get on the... well... I think a new word should be introduced to badminton vocabulary, and that is 'smear'. This would be used to describe a shot could be a smash or a clear, for all those moments of uncertainty.

[Lyphane]

*he

[samwest]

I play in my local club league as a junior and am trying to improve my game.
Tom i don't know how good you are but on reading this thread last night can't help but think that reason why you are being challenged is because of your attitude towards peoples views.

I didn't read any negative critism from any post on this thread. Nobody has said as you claim that you are not gunna make it?
All people seem to be saying that they would like to see you competing against the Danish team in your later years not just now because this is nothing new or special.
Try dropping the attitude because this is what people don't like.

[Volkine]

>>
so your sayin that constructive critiscm is callin us crap and tellin us were not gonna make it? oh right, makes sense!
>>

Welcome to the real world.

>>
maybe u should take this constructive critiscm and get off the site?!
>>

I don't see the question, but I do see the question mark.

>>
we need to hear people supporting us telling us that we have good potential and not sayin were crap!
>>

"Ahem. Tom, you've got great potential. You are not crap."

>>
after all, if none of us make it then badminton could be really doomed!
>>

In this country, yes. The Danes, however, would have a badminton boom. No pressure.

>>
if we get beat then fair enough but we dont need people tellin us that were gonna get whipped and there's no chance!
>>

Oh don't worry about that, Im sure they don't go too far out of their way. Just be grateful for it.

[PeteG]

Just ignore it Tom, prove them wrong with your results!

[docevil]

I saw tom last year in a tournament and he was not a bad talent to have. He was a bit to slow around the court but with some shaddow under his belt he might make it.