Foriegn Players for england?

[williamwallace]

I would like to hear constructive comments,keep it clean please.

[Jamesblond]

What's to answer? If your English you play for England. So what defines you are English?

An English passport I would like to suggest.

[bikerchic]

I have to agree with Mr.Blond you play for the country you were born in..I think players these days you are switching nationalities, especially to those not as good (ie Wales) to make teams for Commonwealth Games and the likes are taking away the chances from those players who are born and bred in that nationality...in my day it was honour to play for your country and you felt really proud...so why consider a switch...anyway look what happens in Olympic qualifying year, everyone bogs off back to their own country (ie Indonesia) cos they cant qualify for their newly adopted country..so how much money was wasted on that venture...sorry Rob but quite straight forward born in England play for England, born in Wales play for Wales, born in Scotland (can see the reason for escaping but) play for Scotland ...

[williamwallace]

Do you not think Biker Chic, that if a player is not appreciated in his own country and is being discriminated against,for reasons i wont go into, and can benefit from a change of nationality then it should be made possible. It has certainly bebefited me from moving to england and in my opinion it has benefited england to as they would be rather short on quality players if i was not here. Having been here for a couple of years now i can honestly say my blood flows red and white.

[Jamesblond]

Rob,

Good old Rob Roy up in the hills of Scotland would be shaking his head at you now.

Get some national pride and play for the land of your fathers!!!

[Tito]

With almost all the top coaches being foreign, what's wrong if we have players from abroad who could raise the level of play. Let's face it the homegrown players are pretty substandard and when Eng Hian/Flandy were here it definately helped Nathan and Anthony.

[cdaniels]

I think the U.K. is a different case to other countires 7 it is simply not black & white. Bear in mind there is no English passport only a britsh one. My mother is welsh and my father is english and since i grew up in england that makes me feel english. If my parents had decided to live in Wales as I was growing up i imagine I would feel Welsh. Can anyone explain the regulations?

[johng]

"Play for the country you were born in", an interesting point, but not one that fits all situations.

Would you suggest for instance that somebody, perhaps born in the far east, who's family moves to England, whilst they are 5 or 6, and who grows up considering themself to be English, should not be allowed to Play for England...or whatever the country may be.

Bring in a regulation like play for the country of ones birth.....and you can be certain that within a VERY short time..a situation will arise that makes a mockery of the rule.

[bikerchic]

John..the rule already exists..you can only play in the Olympic GAmes for the country of your birth origin..that's why the Indonesian's went back to Indonesia...you quote a child coming into the country (at 4/5) then what would happen..I totally believe that they ahve a right to play for either country..but in Rob's case how old was he when he moved to England...Rob I dont know your circumstances so cant comment..but a move is fine but not switching nationalities...can you also comment on your results to date to show your quality and how English badminton has benefitted ???

[Harold]

I am all for the top British players playing for England. Blair has injected a new lease of life into the system, its a pity Vaughan and Morgan won't join him.

Players like him are a dying breed, we should applaud him for his courage in making the move.

[MichaelHindley]

Robert has had some wonderful performances since he has moved south of the border, the moors like him the better. Keep up the good work Robert and good luck at the Olympics.

[bikerchic]

What wonderful performances and if should it be IF he qualifies ?

[MichaelHindley]

if should it be IF he qualifies ?....sorry Biker Chic I didn't understand your question?

[bikerchic]

..if he qualifies...you said good luck in the Olympics, I say..'If he qualifies' quite simple English really..

[MichaelHindley]

Thank you for explaining yourself Biker Chic or should I say....if thank you IF explain Olympic question If qualifies Blair IF?

[cdaniels]

don't forget Robert Blair and Natalie Munt seem to be drawn against Ra Kyung Ming & Kim dong Moon in every championship. We can't expect them to beat world champions this early in their partnership, surely? Personally I think they are doing alright.

[johng]

Biker chic
Are you sure about the Olympic qualification....seem to remember South African born Zola Budd running for GB in Los Angeles Olympics

[aghaffrer]

I think that you should be able to play for more than one country if you live ther now.Biker chic what the hell are you talking about?

[robblair]

can the real rob blair please stand up? By the way i'm still standing.

[robblair]

Why's everyone got made up names. Biker chic????? Don't seem too keen on me. Or is that just the other guy who writes as me? For my results, i've not lost to julia so i think i might just edge it against you

[bikerchic]

Nothing personal Rob just giving you my opionion on your opening thread..sorry but my personal view is that you play for the country you were born in (unless you moved when you were a child), I also believe that you should play for the county that you were born in also..might be very dated views but you wanted comments and those are mine...and fair play to you for not losing to Julia..I suppose for the Olympics its not really an issue as we go as a GB squad, but for other events (includin Commonwealths) you ought to be playing in Blue / White..sorry

[mcsmegor]

I must say to hear a supposedly once upon time Scot Robert Blair now say that his blood runs red and white makes my stomache curl up. Pride is what makes us scots! Born in a country: play for it simple as that. It is funny though how bob blair left sunny scotland for many reasons, but one of which was to find a good lady to play mixed with..however now the likes of Simon Archer and Anthony Clark now look in Scotland for a partner.

[lianbrade]

Greg,
iam another player who came from scotland who benefited from leaving to play for another country and cant see the harm in it my self.I bet you dont live in scotland still either so ill see you jimmy next time in England.

[PeteSmith]

You can't blame Rob for moving to England, I don't know anyone who would be proud to represent Scotland at badminton...Curling or tossing the caber yes, badders no! Any mug can play for Scotland at badminton!

[robblair]

it wasn't me that's been writing on this. Someone has been writing as rob blair. Don't know who it was. Don't think this should be allowed even though it was funny.

[robertbruce]

You little liar Robby come on admit it like a true bonnie scotsman.

[TonyBear]

Well done RB (& Archer) for beating a good Chinese pair in the Danish Open.

I hope you are going to play in the Elite tournaments so Joe Public can appreciate your match winning skills.

PS: I dont care if your English, Scottish or whatever, as long as you make a valued contribution to the country you live in.

[redkingjoe]

look at world cup football! what's the system there?

sad to say it, most of the Hong Kong badminton rep team members are from mainland china. all the good local...

[Phil McBride]

And there was me thinking HK was part of China now :rolleyes:

What's the problem red?

[redkingjoe]

And there was me thinking HK was part of China now :rolleyes:

What's the problem red?
Big problem:
1 traditionally, kids who have vision, passion and ability in badminton will join the appropiate HK youth teams and progress through the "ladder of success" to become the HK youth squad and HK rep team.

2 since the mainland players are too strong, the "ladder of success" becomes a dream only. badminton becomes a leisure sports basically for the local.

3 that's the same reason that i don't like foreign players to represent a country. these foreign guys might get your country a few medals but eventually the locals are deprived of the chance to represent the country and become a vicious cycle:

4 think about this: those(i think more than 100) who were trained together with Lin Dan in their youth get passports of UK, Demark, US, German....and compete in the next World Cup...hehehhe...China vs China

5 In my humble opinion, i would rather accept the local playing mediocritily. In that case, we can see a ture reflection of the current sports status. the Govt will invest more money if they care.

[jug8man]

i totaly disagree with red on this.

so red if china, japan or any foreign country would offer to contract your proffesional services you should decline because you believe that a country's productivity and GDP should be represented purely by the amount generated by their own domestic workforce?!?!? :confused: :rolleyes:

even after you obtained citizenship / nationality from the goverment??

dont tell me im comparing apples with oranges. the concept is the same.

8man

[ClivePalmer]

Nick Kidd? Engalnd International? Competes in the English nationals? Isn't he Austrailian or Jamaican or sumthin? one of the two

[wolfie smith]

I think that we should not allow Gaffer to play for England and agree with Red's views.

Blair the same.

and that Aussie kidd what's his name.

English only Lads ok

Power to the people

[Phil McBride]

I think Nick got in under fair rules, ie. family is English or was it the citizenship ruling?

I'm surprised some rich country like Brunei hasn't just accumulated all the best talent, paid for them to live there and given them citizenship either by time served ruling or by arranging weddings on the fly.

Just like Chelsea football team :rolleyes:

[Shady]

Good luck to the gaffster, hope he does well and creates more interest in the sport. Religion and race should be banned as they only cause trouble, which means they aint cool :cool:

[redkingjoe]

I think that we should not allow Gaffer to play for England and agree with Red's views.

Blair the same.

I don't like Tony Blair no matter what his nationality is. :( :( :(

[redkingjoe]

i totaly disagree with red on this.

so red if china, japan or any foreign country would offer to contract your proffesional services you should decline because you believe that a country's productivity and GDP should be represented purely by the amount generated by their own domestic workforce?!?!? :confused: :rolleyes:

even after you obtained citizenship / nationality from the goverment??

dont tell me im comparing apples with oranges. the concept is the same.

8man
1 i think it's not a q of orange vs apple. it's the "subject" or "object" involved in decision making.

2 Parties invloved in this topic: 1 Foreign Players vs 2 England
Parties invloved in your analogy 1 My firm vs 2 china/japan etc

3 The foreign players(eg Lin Dan's 100 co-trainers who might have surpass the general world standard but would not have a chance to represent China to play in Olympics) will definitely more than happy to try to get a chance to play in the olympics or earn more money. the victum is the local english players who won't have a chance at the end of the day.

4 My firm is one of the foreign players who can't care about productivity or GDP be generated by whom: no money no talk, if you don't have clients you are out. indeed, we will be happy to get more foreign exchange.

[jug8man]

1 i think it's not a q of orange vs apple. it's the "subject" or "object" involved in decision making.

2 Parties invloved in this topic: 1 Foreign Players vs 2 England
Parties invloved in your analogy 1 My firm vs 2 china/japan etc

3 The foreign players(eg Lin Dan's 100 co-trainers who might have surpass the general world standard but would not have a chance to represent China to play in Olympics) will definitely more than happy to try to get a chance to play in the olympics or earn more money. the victum is the local english players who won't have a chance at the end of the day..

olympics: as long as you qualify in terms of world rankings a player may enter the olympics (unless you have more than 3 candidates in the world to 16 or so.) what does this have to do with foreign players. if the locals arent good enuf than thats just a shame.

"local english players wont have a chance at the end of the day"???? prove it. international tournaments are open to everyone. it doesnt matter if a country sends 20 players in a category. so what chance is lost.

if the local pool of players aren that good, than having better players to come train with them will only enrich the domestic pool's standard. you seem to have omited this point. why arent you painting a full clear picture??? :rolleyes:



4 My firm is one of the foreign players who can't care about productivity or GDP be generated by whom: no money no talk, if you don't have clients you are out. indeed, we will be happy to get more foreign exchange.

so your firm doesnt care that it is gaining wealth from using skilled foreign workers. so why should a different standard be imposed on foreign players who pass all the legal requirements??? :confused: :D

8man

[wolfie smith]

just lob them all out that's Wolfie's view.

power to the people

[redkingjoe]

so your firm doesnt care that it is gaining wealth from using skilled foreign workers. so why should a different standard be imposed on foreign players who pass all the legal requirements??? :confused: :D

8man

it's double standard, hehehe, what's wrong?

[redkingjoe]

Foreign Players for England? Shall we start a poll? Site Support will be very busy....hehehe :D :D