U17 Home Countries

[North]

Is there a website which will have the detailed results for the home countries quad to be held in Ireland next weekend.

[Thumb]

Anybody heard any results yet, does not appear to be anything on the web.
First matches were England v Ireland and Scotland v Wales.

[Thumb]

Just heard England 8 Ireland 1
Scotland 8 Wales 1
Believe Scotland v England this afternoon but not heard result yet

[erlan]

Scotland beat England 9 0 and Ireland 8 1 to win the quad.
Both Scotland and England had quite young teams.

[JohnEllis]

William (or is it Watson Stuart or Alaistair)
Congratulations on Scotland's win. Can you provide us with more details. Winners of the individual events etc would be appreciated.

[erlan]

As an impartial observer (but delighted with the Irish individual performances) the individual events had gold and silver for the five disciplines. Eight medals were won by Scotland and two by Ireland.

Winners
Girls singles Julie Boyd (Scotland) never looked anything but the best player on view.
Boys singles Scott Evans (Ireland)(again clearly the best boy over the weekend)
Girls Doubles Julie Boyd and Kareena Marshall (Scotland)
Boys Doubles Watson Briggs and Stuart Gilliland (Scotland)
Mixed Doubles Watson Briggs and Imogeon Bankier (Scotland)

[king]

MON THE SCOTS!
I would like to inform everyone that Scotland demolished all opponents at the U17 quad. Winning comfortably the team event,we then went on to win 8 out of 10 medals in the individual events, with 3 all scottish finals! 4 out of 5 champions is not bad with the 5th being irish. Where were the English??
Comments may be said about the age of the English side but Scotland can only play the side put out. So we are waiting to get the chance to beat our own age group.You can't hide from us forever!

[JohnEllis]

Dream on Kazy baby
No doubt you felt the same in the football after your 1-0 win over Holland.
This said your performance last weekend was worthy of your comments. England nearly always field a young team in these events and there can be no hiding from the fact that the BEST TEAM WON both the team and individual events.
I have seen all the Scottish winners playing JC U17 Select events this year and there is no doubt you have improved but i do not remember many Scottish winners at these events. Imo won the singles at Luton but i believe this to be the exception not the rule.
Bring on the 6 Nations!!
Perhaps you think you can beat the Danes too!!!

[Thumb]

Just a slight correction to the last comment, the Scots did not win the title at Luton, this was won by Michelle Cheung not Imo so there are therefore no Scots winners of the Challengers this year. They have had three finalists, Imo, Linda and Kieren all in singles and the odd doubles runner up. Kareena did win a doubles title but with an English partner.

[king]

correction: not all of the scottish team have played U17 JCs. Julie boyd who quite comfortably took the singles title at the weekend has not. Stuart has made semis at 2 Jcs with improving scores on Andy who is now the top boy in that age group. The one JC that imo and watson have played they reached the final, they did lose to Marianna and Handel but at the weekend they defeated them in straight sets. Also Jillie and Thomas who are U16 took Liz and Andy to 3 sets at the last JC they played. Julie and Kareena beat Marianna and Viki 15-2 15-2 in the semis, and that pair won the last JC and also reached the northumberland final.
Since it is only occasionally we get the chance to play our own age group and with the marked improvement I think it would be fair to say that Scotland could challenge a stronger english side.

[erlan]

The comment regarding England playing a younger team it should be noted that Scotland had two under 15 players and two under 16 players in their team. The under 15 girl winning the second singles in all matches against older opponents in all cases including England.

[Thumb]

John, your comment re the 6 Nations is interesting, does that mean you think Scotland should be invited as they are currently not on the list. It is in England this year so even the Scots could maybe afford to travel.
I did think that the result at the 6 Nations was a foregone conclusion based on a previous thread on this site.England expect to beat Denmark this year - see previous comments by Andy Ellis and Tom Dunlop.

[maz]

alrite kaz, no need to let every1 kno that score, i think we are forgetting the team event when me and vicki lost to you and julie 17-15 in the 3rd after having 4 match points? dont make us sound too rubbish! ;)

[maz]

alrite kaz, no need to let every1 kno that score, i think we are forgetting the team event when me and vicki lost to you and julie 17-15 in the 3rd after having 4 match points? dont make us sound too rubbish! ;)

[JohnEllis]

My apologies to Michelle.
As i have to watch the boys closely i do not always remember the girls results. No offence was meant to her.

Again i did not realise Scotland were not one of the six nations, who cares why not.

I think the thread set up by Tom asked whether England had a chance of beating the Danes. The genuine concensus being yes but they only will once they have secured enough rubbers at Milton Keynes and not by ranting on webpages.

Kazy baby if my earlier response fired you and others up to reply so be it.

Maz let your results do the talking.

[smellymonkee]

a think that every english person on this site (JOHN ELLIS) forgets that it wasnt to long ago at the northumberland jnr when the england 2nd team who consisted of some of your "HOTTEST" prospects, Mark James, Andy Ellis, Mariana, Chris adcock and co. was defeated by the TWO Scottish teams that were there pretty comfortably with not one under 19 player in the scottish 2nd team we even had an under 15 girl playin for us two under 16s 4 under 17s and 2 boys and two girls who are all in there first year of u19! i mean scottish jnr badminton has improved so much over the last few months now we want the big teams!!! we want more!! oh like to take this opportunity to congratulate all the under 17 scottish quad team with a very impressive performance at the weekend!!!!!!! well done everyone! SAME AT EJ'S

[MOTS]

[mrmagoo]

i'm not up to date with the cut and thrust of british junior badminton so could someone remind me of the respective results of the english and scottish teams at the last danish junior cup?

[smellymonkee]

couldnt tell you about the results of the scottish team because they werent playin but i can tell u at northumberland jnr two of our scottish boys who were playin against england beat the two boys who got to the danish cup final at u 17 pretty easily

[imo12]

Just a note to say that everyone has been talking about how there have been no scottish winners of the JC's this season. Considering the new squad programme has only just been set up...GIVE US SOME TIME!!! I think our convincing win at the quadrangular was a good enough start-(nine-nil)-enough said! Bring on the english..if you dare!

[smellymonkee]

Dont see why we cant get a shot at the english! you have said we have improved so much why dont you just give us what we deserve? a shot at the big teams!!!

[yonexboy]

Just to add to what kazy baby said chris adcock (sorry if i have spelt the name wrong)got beaten by martin mac donald.

[tomdunlop]

alrite everyone, all the scottish out there sayin they want a shot at the big teams, it aint our choice, we don't select ourselves! but we have proven ourselves year after year! fair enough, u won this 1 very convincingly, and well done for that! but not 1 of our full team was out!

[smellymonkee]

that is a fair point! all we want is a team that will give us more of a challenge! You play your full under 17 team and we put out our under 18 team do u not think that that is a fair challenge??? really be honest?? it would be close! wat you think of that?

[englandsopinion]

ENGLAND U17 VERSUS SCOTLAND U18 WAS DONE LAST YEAR IN WALES. ENGLAND BATTERED SCOTLAND.

[smellymonkee]

in everyone elses opinion even some english people scotland have improved millions this year! why dont you gve us a chance?wats the worst that could happen??

[englandsopinion]

ENGLAND U17 VERSUS SCOTLAND U18 WAS DONE LAST YEAR. ENGLAND BATTERED SCOTLAND (I'M SURE IVE ALREADY SAID THAT)

[smellymonkee]

no really though mate! so why dont you give it another go everyone knows we are improving so lets see if we are?

[JohnEllis]

It is time to bring this thread to an end. The match will never happen.
In 1967 when you beat our World Cup Winners at Wembley you helped yourselves to the goal posts and pitch but were not given the title.
In this case there is no desire to arrange such a match by the powers that be in either Scotland or England. Also there is no gap in the calendar.
So lets all accept the facts England won the Under 17 home countries last year in Cardiff and Scotland won it this year in Ireland.

[smellymonkee]

watever

[Phil McBride]

Is there no competition this season that all the parties can get together and compete in?

[mrmagoo]

stop wasting peoples time scottish boy. if you want a match so desperately then go to the powers that be in scotland and ask them to arrange a match with england. end of debate.

[Allycraigtribute]

Hello all , lets be honest kareena has never ever been good at arguing... thankfully there are other scots who when required are!!The fact of the matter is SCOTLAND WOULD BEAT YOUR U17 team and we dont want to hear about all your "awesome" results in Europe because basically we dont care!!

[tomdunlop]

the fact? so how is that a fact? u beat a second string younger england squad! the actual u17's have proved themselves before every year! so basically, there's no facts supporting that! if a match happens and you win then fair enough but until then, don't start sayin things that just aren't true!

[mrmagoo]

and who cares about scotland euan?

all the english are worried about is trying to be the best in the world. they might not achieve that but that is their goal.
all you seem to care about is trying to settle a grudge you've got against england.

your aim should be to become a world class player. when you turn into a senior you'll soon find out how tough it is out there and there's no time for petty point scoring on a website from the comfort of your home.

i suggest you all concentrate on whats important and see the big picture cause your only 2 years away from stepping into the real badminton world(if you want to)and if you waste your time and effort on things like this then your in for an even bigger shock

[Phil McBride]

Maybe you discount the fact that Euan has played badminton for many years and has noticed the changes in the setup and prosperity of the Scottish team in recent times comared to the past. (juniors anyway)

Is it not right that he should put his observations or beliefs on the forum like the other members? Does what he says offend you?

The answer to your question is that the Scots care about Scotland! And in doing so have picked apart what used to happen and rebuilt the system with the help of many people to give the juniors a better start than they used to have, i'm sorry if progress bothers you; Or would you prefer to log on and have a swipe at someone else.

If indeed the Scots play on the junior world or European circut then the results will speak for themselvs and no doubt the scores will be taken in context or would you start a new thread stating that the Scots are very very lucky to get out of the rounds, opinions on the fact?

[player]

I'd absolutely agree with your points Phil. Both sets of juniors have wound each other up on this thread, even some parents getting involved. I think both sets of juniors want to start worrying about senior badminton and making their mark there. It isn't that far away.

[mrmagoo]

stick to my points phil!!

euan doesn't mention the scottish set up at all.
and your reply is incredibly defensive and paranoid
if you read my last 2 paragraphs you'll see that i'm trying to be realistic and there's more important things to think about than a grudge match.that is aimed at BOTH sets of players.
its nothing to do with offending me or his observations! the only observation he puts down is that kareena is bad at arguing!!
i always give credit if its due, and if these players make it through then good luck to them,and i wont start up your pathetic suggestion of an anti-scot thread!!
If euan wants to make it as a top badminton player then he has to make the most of his time left as a junior to get the basics right and give himself the best possible chance.

my post wasn't an anti-scot rant,no matter how much you wish it to be,and my advice was aimed at both sets of players

[Phil McBride]

Well backed up Mr Magoo!

If you read my posts on this thread I am the one saying lets get it together and play.

Defensive I am not and although I stick up for my nation and in fact other people who choose to play for it I am not in any way shape or form having a go at anyone who chooses to pick on Scottish juniors.

All the replies have to be taken in context and as concerned clearly points out this thread is going the way of many others although I have to hold my hands up and say I am as involved in it's turn as anyone.

And as far as I know Euan is not a junior, although he does not mention the Scottish set up others have and would like to point out to become a world class player you have to be dominant on your little island first and in the case of the Scottish juniors the aim would have been the English whom they see as the top players and the ones to aim for.

Is this not merely the pursuit of the goal to be the best in the UK first and in fact the second step on the rung with the first being selected to play for your nation in competition?

Obviousley the goal is to be the best but in the course of doing so you have to be realistic and set your aims sequentially as the juniors are doing.

If there is no way that the players can get into a competition together then the thread has already died on it's a**e and as so is mainly pointless and usefull only for sabre rattling and speculation on what could possibly happen.

Lets work together to pursue the game and if the competition of the juniors is the way forward then let's start there!

[mrmagoo]

fair points phil.

but surely then the way forward is then for the scottish juniors to start playing more regularly in jc events. i know the cost involved could be high but if they colluded with the baofe then they could arrange a match either leading up to or after the comp which could be of great benefit. then the cost of travelling to these jc's could be justified easier and the players would benefit?


if scotlands wants to aim at englands players then its up to them to pursue some options such as jc's/matches

[Phil McBride]

I just wonder if the officialdom would put their point up for scrutiny!

Dear Site support can you guys get in touch with both the B.A. of E. and also the S.B.U. and get the official answers.

How much would something like this cost, logistics etc.

And if possible could all the home nations please get involved and be positive in using the power that they have to get their respective associations to move on this one?

[muff]

ireland will go they wil lose but they wil still go.

[johngurling]

Dont hold your breath boys....the number of events that the BAofE event staff have to run is already at ridiculous levels.

Also Who would fund it, who would pay for the courts, the accomodation and travel, the running expenses, who would get the volunteers together..sorry but think it is a non starter....worth a try though

[mrmagoo]

maybe just some sort of arrangement to play jc's then? doesn't the wimbledon invitation still run?