Scotlands

[HaffaJaffa]

Does anyone have any opinions on who should and shouldn'y b in this squad and reasons why?

[softy]

How many of each age group are we allowed, and any restriction on boys/girls ratio

[HaffaJaffa]

Does anyone else think kieran merrilees aka ginge aka hoadrum should be in the lottery squad?

[master]

haffa jaffa
wat r ur views on the lotto squad

[simpo]

why so many u14 boys in squad when few are even making quarts in u15 tourn.why are u15 boys ignored.
also at regional and nats squads we all have to do bleeps as well as elite and yea we wont in the 16 so how cum specal treatment for some players when new coach wos here - nun of us got a chance of an individual

[hink]

at least there is an u15 boy, there's no u16 boys at all.

system should be fair and cn 2 b fair, no chance of that here.

read thro the Bulgarian coach thread and it shows the feeling in Scotland, it's who u no for sum.

why has 1 person got so much to do with it when he also coaches an individual trying to get in

who should be in the 16, a lot who are in are ok, but look at u15 and u16 boys again

[kieran]

to be fair.Most of the under 15 boys command the under 16 age group aswell

[hink]

not one of them has beaten either of the top 2 boys, ok one of these boys is already in the top squad and rightly so but is the other going to be overlooked because of past behaviour.

he is not the only one who misbehaves, the worst is the blue eyed boy at the moment, but again he is associated with the same coach that pulls all the strings

[jimmimacjones]

has anybody been thrown out of the '16' yet?

[Frame]

I thought the contracts were due for review at the end of April but so far I have not heard of any changes.

ps who is the coach who pulls all the strings ?

[Phil McBride]

Haffa can you please post who is in "The 16" so others know and could comment?

[Phil McBride]

It states on the S.B.U. website that the squad are continually assesed and are given an apraisal every 6 months.

It would seem to me that the best people to carry out such tasks are the coaches that train the squad (they may have a better idea of what they are looking for and as a collective many different people would see different things in players) also I would assume the lottery money is a finite resourse and would probably have some strings attached for it to continue.

[HaffaJaffa]

certainly,

Watson Briggs, 16, Renfrew
Martin Campbell, 13,
Edinburgh

Jillie Cooper, 15,
Edinburgh

Angus Gilmour, 13, Troon

Alastair Hogg, 16,
Haddington

Catriona Lawlor, 13, Cumbernauld

Kareena Marshall, 16,
Greenock

Emma Mason, 17,
Edinburgh

Martin McDonald, 16,
East Kilbride

Stephen McPhail, 14,
Glasgow

Allan Nixon, 11,
Troon

Iain Nixon, 13,
Troon

Sean O’Farrell, 16,
Hamilton

Andrew Simpson, 17, Blairgowrie

Paul Van Rietvelde, 12,
Longniddry

[Phil McBride]

You cheat! you got that from the S.B.U. site and it only gives 15.

I was going to post it last night until I noticed there was someone missing.

[HaffaJaffa]

imogien bankier, 16
Glasgow

[HaffaJaffa]

i remembered that it was on the site to save me typing, i never notcied there was only 15, she isnt exactly in the squad but she trains wae them quite alot so...

[Phil McBride]

What about some of the squad members who post on this site taking this one on? Or the coaches? Feel like putting your points across in public since there has been a lot of unrest recently!

Albeit under different names you can still have your say but under the circumstances you may give yourself away!

[littlebeing]

to phil
just read these threads.........can't believe all the sudden interest in the children who are within the lottery programme.

would it not be better to support these kids, instead of discussing each individual on age and where they live.

they never got there by not training.
THEY ALL WORK VERY VERY HARD AND I THINK A ROUND OF APPLAUSE SHOULD GO OUT TO THEM AND THEIR PARENTS FOR THEIR HARD DEDICATION, AND OF COURSE THEIR COACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phil McBride]

Thanks Annie, how's Shaun getting on in the programme?

Which threads should I read? With all these people logging in under different names it's getting more than a little irksome so can you please provide some pointers.

[littlemissnaughty]

i think u give these kids way too much credit, for one i don't see them beating the best do u ? i mean yeh the competitions might look impressive in their own country (scotland) but put them up against others now wot do u think? not so special now are they. i think that not so much more trainin but harder trainin is required as without doubt these kids don't train nearly as hard as they let all the coaches believe. skivin off wen the backs are turned. tok about dedication, i see none. dedication is putting ur heart and sole in to a dream, a dream that u will make a reality with all the other personal qualities such as determination and will to push past all the dreaded elements (tiredness aches and pains). looking at the juniors now do u see such qualities and true skill and hope for future badminton stars taking on the top class players from abroad. some wud say the select few but were there not in the past the select few of scottish players that were once thot to be the best and wud be a contender for international tournaments, wot happened to them?. look closely at each individual player and do u still feel the need to boost their ego's. this goes out to all that think they are something special.

[Phil McBride]

“i think u give these kids way too much credit, for one i don't see them beating the best do u ? i mean yeh the competitions might look impressive in their own country (scotland) but put them up against others now wot do u think? not so special now are they. “

The kids aren’t given any credit as refusal often offends! On the other hand they are special indeed!

I think you hit the nail on the head by pointing out that they are in fact KIDS and as such they are still growing and maturing (albeit they think logging in under assumed names is funny) and they can improve consistently for a good few years yet(look at the different age ranges in the 15/16)! Also they wouldn’t be in the squad if they skive off as much as you think, would they not be replaced with the obvious automatons that coached of old loved so much, people without views or opinions?

Of course every generation coming through has a “chosen one” but would you not have the guys and girls being confident and with a bit of attitude which may or may not pull them through when the chips are down? But how can you say this about children that are 11, 12 and 13. If you are targeting a specific bunch then please do not tar everyone with the same brush!

I do not need to boost any ego’s because as an egomaniac myself they couldn’t touch me in those terms, maybe on a badminton court I wouldn’t stand up to even the youngest player in the squad but please don’t mix confidence up with arrogance.

Helen, you constantly refer to what you can see and what you notice, are you specifically looking for negatives in the squad or are you insinuating that the coaches do not know of these occurrences?

And just to clarify they do not need to be the best they have to have the drive and potential to progress.

[littlemissnaughty]

ok so perhaps i was on the negative side and yes they can still improve but do they hav the star potential, you will say yes as u want to encourage them however on the grand scheme of thing where is scottish badminton, don't say in the making because it has been for ages. i wud like someone to explain to me as perhaps i am not following correctly, where u see these youngsters realistically in say 5 - 10 years time. beating the top english players beating the chinese, can they compete with that standard. thats wot i am getting at. right so why r these juniors not as gd as the other juniors in say england or denmark etc. is it their training or is it their attitude. i myself give full encouragement to all juniors that are training and hav the will to work, i am merely trying to get answers to why they are not falling behind at such an early stage in their badminton career in relation to other countries who show more potential for senior tournaments.

[Phil McBride]

If you want answers phone the S.B.U. Get the numbers of the respective coaches and harras them for the answers after all transparencey should be offered not the door slammed in your face!

Somehow I think you would get the latter!

As for the squad playing and beating English and Danish, well it might happen strager things have in the past!

What you need to bear in mind is that the "16" programme is in it's infancy and has only newly been set up so to expect results immediatley is silly, the "16" is more of a long term thing - just look at the ages of the players involved.

Again how good they do in the future is a measure of both the person and the coaching mechanism in place to help them in both instances for the programme they are developing and so is Scottish badminton.

[THEACTUALGREIGPETRIE]

The reason that scotttish badminton is falling behind the asian countries at a young age is because we do not train youngsters when they are young ( 8 / 9 yrs ) We also don't have the culture or the funding to let these youngsters train 6 hours a day without sacrificing there own money. (Robert Blair moving to England?) Danish badminton is doing so well because they have set up an impressive youth programme and have many more youngsters playing. Scotland doesn't have the same depth of talent that the Danish have either.
We have had lots of success in the past with the likes of Russell and Bruce in the world rankings, so Scotland as a country is capable of producing great players!! The young players in the squads just need to be focused and train like there is no tommorrow!! Because people like Jamie Neill, Craig Goddard,Andrew Bowman, Greg Anderson and Gordon Thompson have all been through the same process, and come out at the other end with high rankings in Europe. ( I think they are all top 10 in either doubles or singles)We just need to hope that the youngsters are mature enough to realise what a great position they are in and to look outwith Scotland for the real competition.

[kimdongmoon]

[kimdongmoon]

I think Scotland should have picked the top players from each age group. Scotland have gone for a quick fix and it hasn't payed off. Perhaps we should stop criticising the folk in the squad and give them a break. It's not their fault that they have been chosen for this programme. Does anyoone else think that being labelled as part of a squad like this puts people under too much pressure to do well in tournaments?

[Phil McBride]

Well Kevin it would seem that judging by the amount of flack they have gotten in recent threads they are there to be had a go at!

They should start to prove everyone wrong by their results or progress in the future or get flack jackets from Yonex

[kimdongmoon]

That's my point everyone is pressuring them to do well

[smellymonkee]

to be honest mark kyle who are you to be commenting on who should and shouldnt be in the squad?when were u at a quad unless u where th3re wit ur bf!

[smellymonkee]

REALLY IT DOESNT MATTER ABOUT WHO IS IN THE SQUAD OR WHO ISNT WHY IS EVERYOHE SO INTERESTED?PHIL Y ARE U COMMENTING ON SEAN? IM SURE HE IS DOING GREAT

[Phil McBride]

Thanks SB as long as he (and the rest) are having fun, but not too much. I wouldn't like those tales of skiving off to be true from such a dedicated and talented squad!

I think as far as SuperMark is concerned he still has that potential he just needs to knuckle down and phone a mutual friend and get some coaching sessions organised !!!!!!!!!

Ring any bells youngster, should you not be phoning a certain person??

It's an interesting point that GP points out about China, but the main reason China can do what they do is bacause of the social circumstances and the sheer volume of people in the country. China can afford to take as many potential athletes for any programme and train them day and night from an early age to become the best, if they do not make it they are discarded, returned to where they came from and the next person fills the gap and so on, that is why Chinese tend to reach a maximum potential earlier on in their playing career whereas Europeans peak later on, Chinese dominate the game because of the way they are MADE into champions and the rest of Europe will always play catchup.

Had to highlight the "MADE" part in case people still think champions are born.

And in answer to David Frames: the coach that pulls the strings is called "The Puppet Master", not to be confused with the song by Matallica "Master of Puppets"

[Cutmaster1]

Mark why are u having ago at the 16 squad when u do not get past the second round of the main u17 events and certinely do not come even close to beaten any of them.

[Phil McBride]

It's called Sabre rattling and by the looks of it certain people are falling for it hook, line and sinker!

[phillsy]

I do not want to respond to the subject of this thread as i do not know enough about the situation with the juniors.

In response to Cut Master, i think you may be missing the point of the forum. It is here for people to exchange views on various subjects within badminton. Standard has absolutely nothing to do with it! Every single persons views should be respected even if you disagree. To say that he has no right to comment because he does "not come even close to beating any of them", sounds very petty and childish.

You may wish to think a little harder about your posts in future.

[Cutmaster1]

Sorry Colin if i offended you i suppose what i should was if it is mark then why is he lying about going to quads and that . The 16 squad is sounds like the best squad in terms of traning and support scotland has ever had so i think everyone should just give it a chance and it is up to the ones that are not n this squad to prove to the selectors there worthy of being in that squad!

[Phil McBride]

Has SuperMark actually said he has been to these competitions "and that"?

I think you may find that the comments posted were that of another and not wholy that of SuperMark!

Again missing the point slightly, if the Lottery squad is the best at the moment why is there constant apraisal on progress? I think the phrase you are looking for is "POTENTIAL", it has the potential to be the best which is why they were selected in the first place.

Unfortunatley potential is something which is both subjective and non quantifiable scientifically.

Probably why the squad is constantly assesed to monitor the growth in ability and to realise the potential of the players involved.

We need to give them all the support they deserve and not just belittle them and cause doubts in the backs of their minds by posting inane threads on silly topics. What do you think about person X, who's in who's out?

Who cares? Leave the desicions in the hands of those capable of making them, the coaches. If they were not up to the job they wouldn't be doing it in the first place!

[Cutmaster1]

totally agree phil instead of potential i would use best oppertunity for players !! becasue people outwith the squad may also have the same potential and do ont have the same opertunity. For me i thnk i have the best of both worlds have the same amount of trianing without all the "pressures" some may have in the squad.

[Phil McBride]

What would happen if you were offered a place in the squad?

Golden oppertunity but a lot of pressure with the hours to be put in along with your existing workload!

[Cutmaster1]

I know alot of people watch this site with great intrest and would love for me to answer that it would need alot of thought but to be honest i would think it would be great to accepted into such a squad.

[Phil McBride]

Very diplomatic!

You should be a coach instead but there is still plenty of time for that.

Everyone knows who is who on this site so any answers would not be best posted!

Let's face it haffa aint getting asked, even I can beat him and as my profile suggests I'm a fat fool! And a lazy one at that as a specific coach commented this afternoon! Hope you're following this as you do the rest of my p**h!

[Cutmaster1]

So dont ask lol. It was coach cutmaster in one game for sean in a singles game in denmark which he played amazing in . Showed amzing singles play even though he more known for being a doubles player.

[Phil McBride]

Sean who? ;) Ha Ha

[smellymonkee]

sean ofarrell! you know fine well! yes well i think that cut master should seriously start to think about becoming a coach because it was his inspirational talk in the 5 mins last fri that pulled sean through his match! ha ha

[Phil McBride]

I think he would be better served being in the squad!

[HaffaJaffa]

Easy tiger!!! lets not get ahead of ourselves phil!!!I never said i went to any quads, what r u talking about?
And i dont claim to be a brilliant player or said that i have beaten any of the better players on my age group, i know i can't. But as most of these ppl have been playin baddy for quite a number of years, they have got more experience and practise as opposed to my 2 years.
And im not havin a go at the 16 in the slightest, i just asked if anyone had any opinions on it.I think reading and re-reading the posts might b a good idea.

[Phil McBride]

Haffa, (wasn't that the name of the guy in charge of the teamsters in the 70's who dissapeared without trace?)

You can't just listen to uncle Phil and quote back what he said and make it look as if you have come up with the goods yourself now can you? For a start there were far to many people about,secondly my material is protected under copyright!

OK the "Easy tiger" bit was yours!

It may be you that needs to re-read the posts, but don't pay too much attention because from where I am sitting (eating as per usual and trying to bring myself back from the brink of mental mayhem after the same coach as the day before confirmed that I was in fact a lazy git) it was started by another who is trying to voice his opinions through you, why don't you let the self same little nincompoop post his own opinions rather from "hiding in the tree line" taking pot shots and starting agro?

I just wonder if this person is a potential wannabe for the squad?

(OK I know who it was, but it just gets the people who pay any attention whatsoever thinking, I use the term thinking very loosley)

[Phil McBride]

sorry; in reply to my earlier self imposed question the answer was in fact "Hoffa" (the Glaswegian for Haffa!)

[smellyperson]

I dont know why everybody is "slagging" the 16 off. Did the younger players not do well abroad at the weekend? I thought we were trying to encourage the kids not put them down all the time!

And why are people who dont have anything to do with the squad "slagging" them off? Its not there fault they lose ocasionally! They train hard and do there best!That all you can ask for.

[Phil McBride]

Dear Conqueror, have you "READ" the thread?

The weird thing is they use assumed identitied but virtually everyone knows who they are! (very strange)

Has anyone slagged off the squad in this thread? Opinions have been posted by some of the squad members and some people who are on the cusp of acceptance, about selections of squad members and in particular certain age groups.

The odd thing is I got a PM from a squad member the other day asking why I was "putting the squad down", the obvious reply is: Please look at the little black pixels which make characters and together form what we call words, they conjugate into sentences and make opinions or in some cases facts.

No one in this thread has put anyone down but in the heat of battle certain individuals have extracted wrongly, and taken out of context what has been said by others.

Please children simmer down.

I think everyone should bear in mind the wording Conqueror uses when he quite rightly states that "Its not there fault they lose ocasionally! They train hard and do there best!That all you can ask for."

Actually it is their fault they lose occasionally, who else can they blame? it is the nature of things. Accept it and move on. No one can perform at 100% all the time and win everything not even the worlds no 1. But the training hard and and most importaintly DOING THEIR BEST is what counts nothing more can be asked, and in respects to the lay person sometimes we do not fully understand the pressure and regime which they must follow in order to progress. Could you do that kind of training?

And remember it's not the winning or losing that matters it's wether you cry afterwards that counts!

Leave all the crap behind, move on and leave the job to those who are employed to do it! (THE COACHES)

[HaffaJaffa]

"from where I am sitting.....it was started by another who is trying to voice his opinions through you, why don't you let the self same little nincompoop post his own opinions rather from 'hiding in the tree line' taking pot shots and starting agro?"

Hit the nail on the head!!

[Phil McBride]

It's just a shame you are too young to get the "Jimmy Hoffa" gag!

[smellymonkee]

but what i do not understand is that why are people saying there are people on the cusp of acceptance? how do they know who is going to be brought in and put out? the only reall people that know is the coaches.

[Phil McBride]

David Frames: "I thought the contracts were due for review at the end of April but so far I have not heard of any changes."

First page of this thread, again if you have read the thread you would find out that no place in the squad is 100% that's why it has continual assesment and the contracs for the players are only for a six month duration, when the contracts expire or are about to the coaches would go into a little room and put on their blazers and form a judgley huddle and discuss who has improved and who has not, but more importaintly than just concentrating on the squad they look outwith the squad so they don't take their eye off the ball, and assess the other players in the age ranges that they require to see if they have shown added determination and are pushing the squad members.

Remember some of the squad members (As I'm sure you are aware) have workloads from the school of sport and the squad itself do they not. Double the amount of training when higher exams are close?

seems you might have to make a choice somewhere down the line if you want a career after shuttle spanking for a living!

Also the contracts are short term to make the players want it more and prove themselvs, it's up to the coaches to decide if they have or not.

[smellyperson]

Dear Phil,

I still don't see why you and many others on this site keep putting the kids down. They train hard and always put 100% into their trainin.

When they do well they get a lot of praise but when they dont win but play well i don't think they get any praise at all which i dont think is fair at all!

Although some of the favourite players get to much praise and the players begin to get cocky!

Phil you i don't even think you know any of the kids yet you decide to put them down anyway!


p.s. Yes phil i have read this thread.

[Phil McBride]

No Conqueror, it is quite apparent you have not read the thread, no one has put the squad down in this or any other post.

If I were to put the squad down I could comment on several things which few know about but I choose not to. Maybe I should start to put them down rather than sticking up for them or even arguing points for them!

The thread was started by one individual after prompting from a second who is too scared to even admit he was involved and wants to hide behind a pseudonym, trying to play psychological games is all very well if you know what you are doing but in this instance individuals commenting on heresay and conjecture just show themselvs up for what they are.

Just out of curiosity why do you say "favourites", are you suggesting that the coaches are more leniant on some squad members than others?

Since I don't know what I am saying then I must be lying! and there is no need to read this post, so please feel free to add it with the others in this thread and just pull things out of context as you will!

[HaffaJaffa]

for goodness sake conquerer, no one is puttin down the folk that r in the squad!
No one said a bad word bout them, as it is quite abvious that they all must be really good to get in it in the first place!

[yonexboy]

When i read all these threads about how some people in the 16 loto squad should or should not be in it ticks me off stop looking at the negative side to this squad and think of the positives. Scotland won the the quad,and also may i add by hammering england 9-0.Another thing is scotland had 8! finalists in the JOT belguim tournament although there wasn't all the "best" teams out scotland still did really well.

[Phil McBride]

Has anyone put down any members of the squad?

Who has been defamed, and by whom?

If you can't answer both of these questions please stop jumping on the "I'm sick of people who put the squad down" bandwagon!

[haffa]

Well done to those who got to the finals in Belgium! Who was it that got to the finals? This has been the first time I have been on this site and it seems to me you are putting tha squad down!

[Phil McBride]

Results can be found at the SBU site:

www.scotbadminton.demon.co.uk

the results are in the whats new category.

The squad did play well!

Nick I would ask you to answer the same question as the conqueror, who is being defamed and by whom.

If you can't answer both parts your statement does not hold much water.

[softy]

Phil,

can't c any results, only who was going to Belgium. please direct more exactly

[seanyboy]

well it sounds to me that you are putting the squad down and no i wont be answering any of your questions! so where are some of the results u know well? phil can you do this for me can you tell me one bad result the anyone in the squad has had over the last six months? and maybe even some good ones?

[Phil McBride]

"so where are some of the results u know well?"

Did I say results?

"can you tell me one bad result the anyone in the squad has had over the last six months?"

Yes the spelling competition on this site!

A "Legend" indeed! Please learn to read!


Top Geek, the results can be found here:

http://www.scotbadminton.demon.co.uk/19april04.htm

[softy]

that last answer just about sums up your knowledge of the squad - the results you direct us to are the Senior Squad at the European championships - as usual you are talking rubbish.

[smellyperson]

Well said top geek! I'm sorry Phil but I think that you have lost this fight beacause you are the only one who doesnt think you are putting the squad down when you are!

[scottyscot]

sorry phil,

but do u have anything better to do with your time than sit in front of a computer screen writing 5 page repiles to an internet chat site? hmmmm i fear not.. anybody else agree?

[Phil McBride]

Again missing the point somewhat are we not, the fact that I gave you the results to the seniors would indicate (to me at least) that I have little or no (in fact the answer is no) interest in junior badminton in Scotland would it not.

Or again are you to stupid to understand the basics of the written word? Just goes to show that you should be putting your time to better uses!

[Cutmaster1]

So why do u TRY and coach junior's then. And post in every thread to do with the juniors if ur not interested . Seems to me your a little to interested . If you look back even in this thread you will see you are even asking mothers how there children are doing.

[Phil McBride]

Cut Master:

Have I not said before? I don't coach juniors, I teach children and certain others who ask for advice or help, if I can help I do so!

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Anne O'Farrell (sorry about the spelling if it's wrong) is not Sean's mother if you know who is who you would know that! Also how can someone who is not a parent comment on someone elses child?

So please holster your arrogance before you shoot yourself in the foot with it, those who know me know my views on the establishment and why I do what I do, funnily enough the Saturday morning session lacks pretense and somehow keeps me sane!

And about my internet usage, well I do a lot of work from home and keep online most of the time. Thanks very much for your interest! It is duly noted!

[HaffaJaffa]

"you are the only one who doesnt think you are putting the squad down when you are!"

i dont think hes putting the squad down.

Almost everything phil writes is justified with facts and quotes most of the time.

And whats being on the internet and commenting on this site got to do with the '16 lotto squad?'

Stick to the thread i ask, instead of being nasty to people u dont even know!

[Phil McBride]

Yes that's right! Stop being nasty to people you don't even know!

Sod that, I say bring it on!

"I'm sorry Phil but I think that you have lost this fight"

Doubt it! Just goes to show that you don't have a clue who I am!

Jimmy Hoffa junior best to keep out of this one!

[JohnEllis]

The Belgium results are now on the Scottish website. Well done to all involved. Pity it clashed with Aros.

For those in the squad work hard to stay in it.
For those who are not in find out how hard they are working, work harder and get results.

Live is unfair and full of critics.

Only time will tell how much this system helps Scottish Badminton (but it can not harm it).

Keep playing the select tournaments in England your presence adds to them.

[seanyboy]

yes it was a shame that it clashed with aros but at the end of the day the kids can only play who are there and in my opinion they must have played very well to win what they did!mark kyle....eh i mean haffa who are you? so haffa what do u think of the squad and the people that are in it you tell us since you have started this argument and just sat in front of your screen rubbing your hands because you think you have have threw the cat amongst the pigeons?

[Phil McBride]

Again Legend it seems we have an oversion to reading, so I'll make things simple for you!

THREAD: QUADDY QUADDY

POSTER: THE MASTER

"oh my god u tlk so much rubbish i tld u 2 delete half the stuff so dont say it was me coz realised wat uve said shckn"

Just after Mark or Haffa accused him of feeding a thread with info so it would be posted through another name, now anyone who has denied talking to someone does not say "i tld u 2 delete half the stuff so dont say it was me" do they?

Denial then admission, how strange!

Now I would wager that "The master" has also signed on in this forum under another name and if he was to use the same IP address from his home computer to register even under another name then that would be sheer idiocy since those lovely people at site support would be able to find out. Even if he was to go through a proxy e-mail service like Yahoo for instance!

Is that self same person now a member of the squad, did they have prior knowledge of the changes?

Well that's another matter indeed, is it not?

Legend:

"so haffa what do u think of the squad and the people that are in it"

Which squad? the old one or the new one?

Can you please elaborate

And stick to having a go at me not the junior who was doing his (so-called) pall a favour!

[seanyboy]

can you please elaborate what you mean by the old squad and the new squad please?

[Phil McBride]

Again I'll simplify:

The old squad: The one that was,
The new squad: The one that is.

I don't know any other way to put it so you'll be able to understand it!

One past tense and the other present tense.

[seanyboy]

there is only one squad there isnt any old squads or new squads! unless i am missing something

[Phil McBride]

You are missing something which is what I'm trying to point out!

[seanyboy]

well phil what i am asking is what am i missing then?

[Phil McBride]

POST 1:

"Does anyone have any opinions on who should and shouldn'y b in this squad and reasons why?"

POST 10:

"I thought the contracts were due for review at the end of April but so far I have not heard of any changes.

ps who is the coach who pulls all the strings ?"


What does 2 + 2 make? Is it by any chance 4?

Would you not think it funny if someone posted who should and shouldn't be in the squad at the same time the contracts were up for renewal?

It would almost insinuate that maybe the original poster would have been fed information by someone giving rise to the other reply's in the thread.

It would seem you have missed the point of the entire thread would it not?

If you still can't figure it out you could always send me another inane offline message full of babble!

[Phil McBride]

Yes I know it's quite sad to double post on your own reply but since the Leg-end (or arse) as they are known has neglected to respond, can any of the juniors who post on the site tell me if the squad (old or new, since arsey has clearly pointed out that there is only one squad) is the same as the names listed earlier in this thread?

I think it is prudent that we revert to the discussion topic! Maybe old arsey will get the whole point if someone names the squad!

[kaz]

As far as I know the changes that have occured are the removal of Alistair Hogg, Paul (dont kno surname, younger boy) and Kareena Marshall

As for those brought in I have only heard from sources that Kieran Merilees and Imogen Bankier are in the squad

[Phil McBride]

Thanks Iain, a loud voice from within the fog that is this thread!

I think there are other changes but until they are put on the S.B.U. site no one can be 100%?

Well there you go leg-end, it would appear that the rumours surrounding the squad for the last couple of weeks or so were true! Check the date of the first post.

Now you know what all the fuss was about.

[scottishserver]

Reports suggest Kareena and Alistair were committed players. Hopefully they will continue to work hard and prove some people wrong.
Now that the re-selection of the players is done should a similar one take place for the coaches. I believe a top Bulgarian coach is taking over but what about the Scottish coaches. I believe some of Scotlands best players have been involved with this squad - Hogg,Robertson,Middlemass but what are they like as coaches?

[softy]

wot happens to the players out of the 16, do they go to a different squad & have a chance to fite bak

[Phil McBride]

Well that's why the squad is continually assesed top geek, the coaches do not only look at the squad to the exclusion of every other player! They keep their eyes open to see who would and could give the current players a run for their money in each age group and the whole process begins again.

You would have to ask the players which squad(s) they will go into now.

[init]

where can u get a full list of who is in the 16?

[Phil McBride]

It's still only 15 but would probably be on the S.B.U. site by the end of the week!

[blinky]

list is up but only 14.

what happened to rule re bleep before!!!! u r in.

this must be dun in the open & after all the other fitness tests that the rest have to take - flexibility, shadow etc to make sure it is like with like - not when u r totally fresh & in secret.

[JohnEllis]

Interesting list.
Some good players missing/ removed in my opinion. I hope these players will get more serious competition outside Scotland.
Wonder why only 14, has the funding been cut?

[Rayisgay]

Some players have left I think due to ounforseen circumstances

[lothian]

For the record the above article on the 2 May was not written by myself. My response to the article is as follows :
Although I can not speak for the other coaches involved with the Lottery squad any comments with regard to my coaching are welcome.
With regard to the 3 players deselected I hope they continue to train hard outside the squad. Most sportsmen and women face dissapointment / failure throughout their spoting careers but true champions always react to it in a positive manner.
KJM

[Connelly]

I am new to badders and I have read most of the threads and I have found that this thread and County rivalry are by far the best. I suppose I am asking that people start to talk on this thread again because it was such an interesting topic and there were a lot of brilliant discussions on the thread.

P.S I think Phil was not putting the squad down.

[Phil McBride]

Stephen you might find it far better just to say I was putting the squad down but you have put in your thread the one thing which many of the contributing juniors clearly did not do - READ THE POSTS FULLY!

It is interesting because a new batch, not entirely new some original members are still included are now more in view of what is required to make it through junior badminton and can do Scottish badminton proud.

Anyway this thread is dead because some of the coaches have had words in some of the players ears, in other words they are to stop feeding the threads on this site!

Shame really!

[think]

would seem like a good idea to let the thread rest and encourage the players to train hard over the summer and prove that the system works