why badminton gave me a thought while watching euro2004

[gazz16]

hey, i was watching england the other night against portugal and it made me think of badminton ;),
It made me think quite alot because heres some of the things i was thinking about how badminton is alot better than football

Who would jump higher?
A) a badminton players jump smash -------> gets my vote
B) a footy player jump heading

What sport is alot fitter?
A) Badminton player doing a badminton match ----------Gets my vote
B) a football player

The reason i chose badminton 4 this is because a badminton player doesnt get a rest only when he walks to the shuttle n gives it the opposition or ask 4 a drink or wins the game, While footballers walk for 20% of the time which is 18mins of the 90 minutes and goalkeepers WELL all they do is stand in a net...and they also get a 10min break at half time, so it shows that badminton player has 2 do alot of work.

Carrying on with the question above
Which could go 4 longer, and not stop (just keep on jogging without a rest)
A) a badmitnon player -------------> gets my vote
B) a football player

Another Question thing which made me think of badminton is
Which sport needs more practice, (saying if your a begginer which sport is harder)
A) badminton --------> gets my vote AGAIN
B) football

The reason for this is it isnt hard to kick a football is it where badminton you have 2 be precise to get the shuttle onto your raquet and get it over a net

Which sport is harder to train at
A) badminton ------------> gets my vote
B) football

My reason is for this is because you need ALOT or endurance and stamina, you also need concentration in a match so it dont put you off the shuttle were as football you got the fans sometimes booing you were it could cause distractions, badminton is also harder to train because you need alot of raquet skills and you need to do every shot to perfection so it gives you that edge over the opposition were as football its mostly just kicking a ball .... not hard, and also your in a team so you dont need to train as hard because the others aswell as you r a team so yourself dont do as much and badminton its either just yourself or with another person so you get a touch of the shuttle more than u get a touch of a ball in football

Well i hope my views show how i think badminton is better at football
feal free to say wat u want but your thoughts wont change my views about badminton is ALOT better than football, Also feal free to say other reason y badminton is better than footy. :D

[Vorpulus]

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The reason i chose badminton 4 this is because a badminton player doesnt get a rest only when he walks to the shuttle n gives it the opposition or ask 4 a drink or wins the game, While footballers walk for 20% of the time which is 18mins of the 90 minutes and goalkeepers WELL all they do is stand in a net...and they also get a 10min break at half time, so it shows that badminton player has 2 do alot of work.
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Gazz, how long does it take after the point has ended to pick the shuttle up (if necessary give to the other player) and serve? Say it takes 5 seconds to pick up a shuttle and serve it, which is clearly an underestimate. You're saying that, on average, a rally will last 20 seconds? Sounds to me like you've got the net 10 foot higher than it should be.

[Michael Banks]

Football is the one sport that is out on its own. You cannot even start to compare football with any other sport as has been adopted globally as the sport of sports.

Years ago towns and villages would shoot each other with bows and arrows or charge at each other with big sticks. Over the years football has replaced this (although we still get a lot of people hitting each other with big sticks around the world).

It is in essence tribal warfare - clan vs. clan. Look at the passion of the fans. You get fans who don't even watch their team play but still support them, they might even by merchandise representing the club - shirts, stickers but not even know who the players are. It is all about belonging to your clan and supporting your tribe.

The niceties of the sport are irrelevant and the vast pockets of the paymasters associated with football have courted the football industry rather than vice versa.

Let's get away from the - how can we make badminton more popular? Yes, participation can be increased and the infrastructure improved, but it will never equate to football.

Football goes beyond sport.

[Phil McBride]

Gazz interestingg point but you have to quantify factors which is why no sport can be compared to another fairly, all sports train different things!

Have you ever seen a football player with one arm or leg larger than the other?

Who can jump higher, well Sol Campbell for a start but these things need to be compared scientifically, kicking a ball is simmilar to hitting a shuttle, kicking a ball and hitting a shuttle properly is a different matter alltogether.

You need to take simmilar subject matter and subject them to tests which compare overall fitness and then determine why badminton is "more difficult" than football.

As Michael points out football goes way beyond sport, it is a way of life!

Also Gazz you do get a rest it;s called returning to base where you watch the opponent hit the shuttle back to your side, more so in doubles. No badminton player is flat out for a whole rally.

[biggy]

I think gazz shows some good points. Badminton players are far fitter,flexible and stronger in the legs. I know you can't compare sports and football is by far the more publicised sport. I can't believe footballers are worth the amount they earn. It is stupid. Half of them don't look like athletes but people off the streets. If you watch a specific player in a football match they are walking half the time. Badminton requires more skill and precision but football does have its skills but are different so it's difficult to compare them. Personally, the only reason footballers make so much is the media and not their skill. How can you call them athletes when they are on the booze half the time and most take drugs. And still they are all worth millions. I think it's ridiculous but you can't do anything about it so there is no point complaining.

[gazz16]

thats my point biggy

[Michael Banks]

gazz/biggy, so why is football bigger than badminton? Did the media tell us to like it? How many people are currently watching Euro 2004 compared with how many watch a top badminton tournament?

Fitness, skill, stamina aren't relevant as football is football and watched for other reasons.

You can liken the amount spent in football to the amount spent on the defence budget of a country. People would rather it be spent elsewhere but it is accepted as a necessity. People aren't going to stop watching football because of overpaid primadonna.

We need to get used to the fact that badminton is a long way down the pecking order and in reality will never move up the ladder.

[hilly1285]

Biggy, i have never heard as much bull s**t in a post........eva, badminton plays are "fitter,flexible and stronger in the legs" ..........WRONG! The instituate of sport in australia conducted a set of tests of 100 professional (male and female) athletes in over 60 different sport (badminton included), they used all the usual fitness tests and out of the 60 sports badminton came a respectible 21st, with footballers coming 4th or 5th (cant remember exactly) and F1 drivers 1st and basketballers 2nd.

You say that footballers walk half the time, not true, they walk about 20%, jog 30%, 35% fast jog, 15% sprint (they was the stats from the ProZone software, which most premiership club use). You say that arn't athletets, thats like saying that an apple isn't a fruit. You say they are on drugs and booze, name some footballers who have been done for drugs..............Davids..........em............. ...em............cant think of any more, especially British footballers. Obviously they like a good drink, who doesn't, iv'e personally seen quite a few footballers having a social drink with mates, but never seen say totally bladdered, whereas ive seen a few badminton player out of there heads during the All England at Birmingham.. Try getting your facts straight before posting next time. ;)

[Phil McBride]

Also some badminton players like football players have been banned for drug taking so it's a problem faced by all sports.

[mrmagoo]

its totally irelevant to compare different sports fitnesses.

if a football player played badders then they would be knackered after 10 mins purely because they are not used to moving in the way a badminton player is.

if i played football though,i would prob be very tired from making tackles,tracking back etc..

reaching the top in any sport requires you to be an exceptional athlete in that particular sport and you can only have comparisons in a general non specific test,which is really a pointless exercise as it only proves if your sports physical demands are applicable to the general test.

[biggy]

Hillywhoever, I am not talking bull sh!t. I also mentioned that you can't compare sports so why are people having a go at me for saying that. I doubt footballers are fitter,stronger in the legs and flexible than badminton players. Can you imagine putting David Beckham against lin dan or wong choong hann in a fitness test or leg strength exercise or flexibility. David Beckham would get mauled and so would most footballers. I heard about another test where football came 10th and boxing 1st. Badminton wasn't tested and nor was squash. I think if they were they would easily be in the top 5. I have never heard of the chinese or malaysian players being done for alcoholism maybe the english but that is why they are not in contention with the far easterns.

[Phil McBride]

I have never heard of the chinese or malaysian players being done for alcoholism maybe the english but that is why they are not in contention with the far easterns.

"Maybee the English" indeed, so that's why the English never have a world champion - they're all drunk. :eek: I doubt being tee total is the difference between making it and not in the world stage!

Because you have never heard of something it does not mean it doesn't happen, as I said earlier some badminton players have been banned for drug taking even ex-world champions!

Don't be so nieve, it takes a lot to make a professional sportsperson in any field (even darts), I would dare say that if any went up against another outwith their chosen field all would find it difficult regardless of the sport.

Sportsmen are used to their comfort zones so each is good at somthing but none at everything, until there is a scientific test carried out under properly controlled circumstances it's all heresay.

[biggy]

I have said that you can't compare sports ok! Stop giving me this abuse for no reason. I post my views and then I get called nieve and also told that I am spouting bull sh*t. I have never said that your views are "bull sh*t" have !? I respected your views and took them on board. That is why I said that you can't compare sports.

[gazz16]

but y do footballes get paid soooo much 4 kick a ball.......than badminton players do 4 training and working hard when I THINK badminton players are ALOT fitter and more flexible than footballers and have more endurance than them 2, badminton players get paid alot less and work harder than footballers...wats that tell u

[mrmagoo]

but y do footballes get paid soooo much 4 kick a ball.......than badminton players do 4 training and working hard when I THINK badminton players are ALOT fitter and more flexible than footballers and have more endurance than them 2, badminton players get paid alot less and work harder than footballers...wats that tell u

what that tells you is that there is a huge demand for football in this country.
70,000 people watch man.u at home plus all the merchandising and the media coverage means that footbal is a huge business and players get paid the going rate.
there is very little demand it seems for badders hence why players get paid less.
nothing to do with fitness,just public demand.
if it was about reward for effort then doctors,nurses,paramedics,firemen,policemen would be millionaires.

[rachyuk]

At least with Badminton, you don't get email attachments clogging up your inbox depicting poorly edited pictures of players, with headlines about their sex life, penalty taking skills and family lives after every 'national' event....

[Phil McBride]

I have said that you can't compare sports ok! Stop giving me this abuse for no reason. I post my views and then I get called nieve and also told that I am spouting bull sh*t. I have never said that your views are "bull sh*t" have !? I respected your views and took them on board. That is why I said that you can't compare sports.

You're not getting abuse this is a public discussion forum.

I assume you are taking the UK as your prime example! Going back the last 50 or so years (even further) football was the family escape for the masses. The people would go and see their local team play to escame the Monday-Friday jobs and go somewhere cheap with the family, that has continued through the years to what we have today. Football players are paid by the clubs who use TV money, gate receipts and sponsorship along with merchandising to afford the huge sums on offer to todays players.

You have Jimmy Hill to thank for this when he abolished the capped players wage.

Lets use China as another example, how many children do you see out kicking a ball? Not many it's completely the opposite. Many play badminton and it is a pseudo religion because for the Chinese it is a way out of their lives and the villages to play provincial and national sports such as gymnastics and badminton. Badminton is a way of life for many over there!

To say badminton players are supremely fit is not giving dues to other sports, people who do yoga are more supble and flexible, people who rock climb will have better arm and upper body strength, ballet dancers will have more leg power and so on.

What you have to remember is that you have stated a point based on your opinion, so don't be surprised if someone elses differs.

[SUPERTED]

Mr magoo,
I`ve seen you play football and if i remember rightly the only thing you managed to do was sucessfully take out alot a large number of the opposition. Always a good idea to be on the same side as you, or suffer a beating!

[mrmagoo]

Mr magoo,
I`ve seen you play football and if i remember rightly the only thing you managed to do was sucessfully take out alot a large number of the opposition. Always a good idea to be on the same side as you, or suffer a beating!

footballs a mans game superted!! :D :D

[SUPERTED]

But you are no man magoo................You are some kind of gorilla hybrid!!

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[MrB]

Just been watching some doubles on tv and I realised how dull it actually is. Most rallys last no longer than 1-2 shots with long breaks in between, not to mention the rest breaks every 2 games.

Although I am slightly biased being a badminton player, the skill / strength / endurance / watchability of a badminton doubles match far outweighs those of a tennis one, yet it is being screened at peak time on BBC1 with prize money far in excess of its badminton rivals.

Something is seriosuly wrong here!

[Grover]

tennis is cool though and badminton isn't. Not that i think it should be, but that is what most people think.

[NeilNicholls]

But tens of thousands of people get off their backsides and phsically go to tournaments to watch tennis.
More people want to watch tennis than can actually get into the venues.
People queue up overnight in tents and sleeping bags to get in.
This is why tennis is on TV so much.

Look at the number of people who physically go to watch the big golf tournaments.
Golf! of all things.

Football, Rugby, Cricket, Snooker, Darts, Formula 1, Rallying, Tour De France
they're on TV because more people want to watch than can be at the venue.

Personally, I find watching cricket, rugby, snooker, darts, formula 1, WD badminton mind-numbingly boring,
but I'd rather that was on TV than Eastenders, Corrie, reality rubbish etc.

[Admiral]

In the same token we can compare the fitness level of Englands No 1 Admir Gaffoo to that of David Beckham.

Gaffoo wouldn't last 20 minutes in a game of pro football.....compare badminton to table tennis but not football.

Ridiculous thread!

[Grover]

if you think it is a Ridiculous thread then don't post then ;) maybe Beckscum isn't the best example of fitness as he couldn't run more than ten yards without a rest last week.

[Admiral]

Very topical Grovescum

[iona macintosh]

u cant compair beckhams fitness cos since he moved 2 madrid his fitness level has gone down
he looked really tired after all the euro 2004 games :eek:

[hilly1285]

Funny about Beckham saying that Madrid don't do enough conditioning, Zidane and Figo seem to be doing well enough, maybe they are getting extra 'fitness conditioning' from their wives/girlfriends, Beck's must be missing out.

NeilNicholls, i think that you've got the wrong end of the stick, BBC doesn't show tennis because people are queueing up outside. But because it is on TV people think 'hey, that looks fun, i really want to go and spend a fortune watching over paid athletes and eat expensive strawberrys and cream' and they go and Q up for hours. Also in my experience people go for bragging rights, making there friends jealous and making them feel upper class for a day.

[NeilNicholls]

Is that right?
Why did people go and watch things before they were televised?

yes, some people go because it's "the thing to do", but not all of them.
It's not as if it's polo or fox hunting.

[hilly1285]

They went before TV because of what i was talking about before, it due to social setting, the gentry went to secure their status in society, as the upper class. Women also went along because their husbands/sons made them and because it was one of the only acceptable sports for women to watch/play at the time.

[NeilNicholls]

maybe for Wimbledon, but not everything.
I was talking about Golf, Football, Rugby, Cricket, Snooker, Darts, Formula 1, Rallying, Tour De France

[Admiral]

Lets face it, badminton at present is a boring spectator sport. It needs to be jazzed up a bit and lose it's "church hall" image. We have no personalities in the sport - if god forbid anyone tried to rock the boat they would be frowned upon and probably disciplined. No doubt the usual suspects will attack my comments and throw the names of Emms/Archer etc at me, but come on now wise up! Badminton is a second rate spectator sport and always will be.

[NeilNicholls]

But is it any more boring than golf, cricket, tennis, etc. I don't think so.

It only appears that there are "personalities" in the other sports because the media have to find something to write about. Or because people who are paid too much let the money go to their head and do outrageous or extravagent things. Or drink too much and get into fights in bars/nightclubs.

[Admiral]

Judging by the number of spectators who watch the the sports you mentioned Neil (golf, cricket, tennis) your view is obviously in the minority.

Ask yourself why the media write about the stars in other sports, is it because the public are interested in reading about them. Who cares what Admir Gafoo is up to, he is England's number 1 player - hardly a household name.

[NeilNicholls]

Tell me why badminton is a boring spectator sport.
And what makes it more boring than tennis or golf.

[Admiral]

Quite simply there is no atmosphere. The scoring is too slow, meaning you can have 10 points and the score doesn't change, therefore not enough crucial points. It's difficult to see the racket skill involved unless you are a player yourself and the play looks ponderously slow on TV.

If you want your question answered in more detail, why not ask George Frith. I believe he staged an event recently that was an absolute disaster!

I could go on but I have to go and watch the tennis!

[NeilNicholls]

No atmosphere?
Maybe we're thinking of different events.
I'm thinking of, for example, the Commonwealth Games, World Championships 2003, All England. Plenty of atmosphere.
Are you watching the tennis on TV by any chance? What's the atmosphere like in your living room?

The scoring is too slow. What's that got to do with it?
The score doesn't change very often in a football game. But at least in golf the core goes up every time they hit the ball (and even if they miss it)

Is it easy to see racquet skill when watching tennis? Do you see the grip changes?
Or in golf, when the ideal is for every swing to be the same?

The play looks slow. Women's Doubles I'll agree is good for insomniacs.
Tennis races along at breakneck speed. For 3 seconds. Then there's a 20 second break before the next serve. And the breaks between games. There's about 20 minutes of play in a 4 hour match.
Cricket's a thrill a minute isn't it. But at least the score involves big numbers (for some countries)

I don't think George would say it was a disaster. Disappointed at the turnout, yes.

I'm not trying to say Badminton is the most exciting thing there is. Just that it's no worse than the mainstream sports. And I think progress is being made in televising badminton in this country, with SKY's live coverage.

[Grover]

agreed Neil. the event George hosted was a great achievement. more people could have turned out granted but still a sucess. as far as badminton is boring. not a chance. it isn't cool, but it certainly isn't boring.

[NeilNicholls]

Is it easy to see racquet skill when watching tennis? Do you see the grip changes?
I'll take some of that back. I've just seen some of the slow motion footage taken with high-speed cameras.
But I gues you only get that when there's no play

[Admiral]

A few hundred people banging empty shuttle tubes together is not a fantastic atmosphere. Make your mind up Neil what sports are we comparing here? I thought it was tennis, golf and cricket and you then pull football out of the hat......lets not go there.....there can be no comparison between badders and the national game.

Frith's attempt at putting on a show was a shambles. How can you call it a success if nobody was bothered enough to turn up?

You guys are flogging a dead horse, even Grover thinks the game "isn't cool" and he's the biggest badminton nerd on here!

Off to watch the tennis, maybe a bit of golf and then the 20/20 cricket tonight.

[Grover]

You guys are flogging a dead horse, even Grover thinks the game "isn't cool" and he's the biggest badminton nerd on here!
take umbridge with the nerd bit ;) perhaps passionate badminton follower would be more appropriate! a technical discussion on sport comparisons isn't relevant. sports are not supported on the whole for technical reasons or difficulty. it is all about media cool which badminton doesn't have and may never have.

the only way badminton could be successful is if a marketing guru took hold of the sport and made it trendy. even then there would be difficulties but it would be a start.

[NeilNicholls]

maybe for Wimbledon, but not everything.
I was talking about Golf, Football, Rugby, Cricket, Snooker, Darts, Formula 1, Rallying, Tour De France

I didn't pull football out of a hat, I mentioned it way back here.
You came up with the stupid thing of the score not changing often enough being a reason why badminton is boring.

[Admiral]

Neil is this familiar......"But is it any more boring than golf, cricket, tennis, etc. I don't think so"....that is the question I was answering!


A goal can change the game in football Neil, a point in badminton makes little difference unless the score is close towards the end of a set. Therefore the game is dull until the end of the match.... stupid Neil

[Grover]

.... stupid Neil
oooohhh bitchy
:p

looks like people will be able to test their ignore button ;)

[Admiral]

you obviously like playing with your buttons Grover, but please don't get over excited it was just reference to the previous thread "stupid thing"...get it?

[biggy]

Admiral,
if you think the atmosphere in badminton is dull then obviously you are not a fan of badminton and also you obviously haven't watched badminton in the far east. If you had then you wouldn't be making such stupid remarks. In tennis you get a few shouts after a point but in badminton there are shouts permanantely. Football's atmosphere is very good but if you could fit 60,000 people in a badminton venue I think the badminton fans(far eastern especially) would be just as loud and impressive.

[gazz16]

u cant compare englands number 1 2 david beckham

lets looks at the worlds number 1 fitness like lin dan to the worlds top footballer

i no for a fact the badminton player will win, theres no dout about it
lin dan trains hard and is fitness is amazing and he trains every day to keep his champion title

u put lin dan running by a footballer......and lets see who drops out, lets see which sport is fitter then

[biggy]

Some of you say that a badminton player wouldn't last 10 minutes on a football pitch. That is rubbish. The malaysians run 10-20 miles most days so to say they can't run about 5 miles on a football pitch(5 miles being the average distance travelled by midfield players)

[gazz16]

exacly biggen....this thread shows that badminton player is ALOT MORE fitter than a football player, it should be badminton players getting paid £60.000 a week 4 the ammount of effort they put in training and matches because they are ALOT fitter that footballers

[Admiral]

biggy....10-20 miles a day...Malaysian marathon runners maybe but not badminton players! Get your facts right before making such stupid comments!.....and do you honestly think 60,000 people would turn up to watch badminton....are you having a laugh....George Frith couldn't even get a handful at his disastrous exhibition.

[dlp]

The merit, fitness , skill levels of a sport have little to do with the number of spectators. In France or Denmark you get big crowds even for junior badminton events or club matches.

Tens of thousands of people will pay a fortune and queue for hours at Silverstone to watch a procession of cars race by 70 times and then Schumacer wins. Figure that out. Football / tennis spectators are often not players themselves but buying into the hype/ history/ celebrity put out by the media.

[Admiral]

So why don't people watch badminton? Because it is a boring spectator sport! That was my point.

Maybe George Frith should put on an exhibition for tiddly-winks, would probably get a similar turn out.

Anyone know when the next Silverstone grand prix is happening? Have to book our tickets early, don't want to miss out.

[dlp]

Admiral I suggest you head over to a football forum since you clearly don't appreciate the finer points of badminton:) You could of course save some money on the Silverstone tickets by either buying a scalectrix kit or standing in the central resevation of your nearest motorway, although people overtake on the motorway so you might find that a bit more exciting than F1.

As someone said at the start of this thread it is more to do with culture and media than sport that football has such predominance. In the same way you could find a better band down your local pub than at the number 1 spot the delights of badminton will remain a best kept secret unless there is a big change in the media and the brand names involved.

[hilly1285]

In 6 days admiral, your about 359days too late for booking your tickets, but you still have a week to book them for the next season, good luck though they go very quickly

[Admiral]

dlp...I never said I "don't appreciate the finer points of badminton", in fact I do. I just think it is boring to watch. Figures suggest the vast majority of the population agree with me, especially in Leicester hey George!

Playing the game is a different story altogether, it's a fantastic game. In fact I am a fantastic player myself!

hilly1285...thanks for the info...359days too late...bugger!!

[DrHonesty]

Perhaps badminton and bowls should do a joint tournament, double the excitement? Goodness knows that something needs to be done, George Froth's tournaments aren't bringing in any punters.

Perhaps Gail Emms could strip in the name of badminton?

The only reason Wimbledon get's so many viewers is due to the likes of Kournikova and Sharapova donning the shortest possible skirts. Badminton just isn't 'sexy' enough.

Female Badminton players (not you dlp), take note and go shopping.

[eddyeagle]

The instituate of sport in australia conducted a set of tests of 100 professional (male and female) athletes in over 60 different sport (badminton included), they used all the usual fitness tests and out of the 60 sports badminton came a respectible 21st, with footballers coming 4th or 5th (cant remember exactly) and F1 drivers 1st and basketballers 2nd.

...Try getting your facts straight before posting next time. ;)

All. ive been reading this topic with interest. Hilly with all respect to you australia is hardly a badminton nation an there best is probably on par with a county player here. no supprise if they footbal playes are better.
Tennis is boring people like strawberries.
Football....yawn...yawn. you sit for 1 an half hours watching 1 point in a euro final! at least badminton in that time you get over 30 exciting ones.

[eddyeagle]

and actually badminton players are more mobile than footballers. how often do footballers use there uppa boddies? and they don't use they uppa boddies in conjunction with they lower boddies. badminton is more skilled sport. you must have better co-ordination. body an leg movement in all directions. not true of football or tennis. tennis players cant run backwards.

adminral. hello. badminton not popular here but it is big sport in fareast and denmark. people crying after loosing... that pathetic bad loosers! watch a badminton match in the fareast and see how people cry when there countrys won. thats great emotion.

[Admiral]

Eddy did you see the number of people celebrating after each Euro 2004 match? not to mention the people who were in tears after their side lost. Football is a game that is full of emotion, you only needed to be in your local boozer to see how popular it is and how much it means to the spectators.....I'm sorry pal but badminton just can't match that!

PS you obvously know what happened in the final, if it is that boring why watch it? Off to buy a carton of strawberry's ta ta!!

[gazz16]

admiral...weres the fitness in f1

f1 is boring just going round and round the same track sitting on ya ass
were as badminton...well watch the 2 sports n u will see badminton is alot better

[Admiral]

never said there was fitness in F1 gazz, just asked where I could get tickets..... or is that were I could get tickets?

[hilly1285]

Gazz you would be suprised how fit F1 drivers are, they train during the week as much as badders players, but its just a different type of fitness required.

[Phil McBride]

Gazz you would be suprised how fit F1 drivers are, they train during the week as much as badders players, but its just a different type of fitness required.

I think you would be amazed at the amount of training they do! Try reading into it to see what their regime is like.

[Vorpulus]

I have found a typical weeks schedule for an F1 racing driver.

Monday: Pie consumption. 6 repetitions.
Tuesday: Playing F1 computer games.
Wednesday: Bombing around in a rusty Austin Metro.
Thursday: Trainspotting.
Friday: Theme park.
Saturday/Sunday: Complete stillness. Rest, if you like.

When I found this schedule I was truly shocked. I thought that being an F1 driver didn't require a great deal of fitness, but looking at this, I began to see how physically demanding F1 racing really was.

[Admiral]

Vorpulus....are you sure that wasn't the weeks training for SOME of the badminton players at MK?...add 2 hours of physio a day and that looks spot on!

[biggy]

Admiral, you spout alot of crap for someone who doesn't know the ins and outs of badminton. Of course there is a lot of emotion and skill, fitness and atmosphere. One of my friends coaches is malaysian and they do run 10 miles most days so if you think I don't have the facts then question me. In Denmark and the far east the atmosphere is tremendous. 60,000 not wanting to watch it. In a stadium which can just hold 20,000 you would get 30,000 spectators cramming in there. At the Barcelona olympics badminton was the most watched sport with over 1 billion viewers.

[hilly1285]

10 miles a day, that 70 miles a week, top class kenyan runners don't even do that ammount of running, maybe they are in the wrong sport, should poss. take up running as a career.

[Admiral]

Thank you hilly! Biggy your Malasian coach is taking you for a fool and judging by your posts on here he is spot on!

FYI Biggy, I AM up to pace with the ins and outs of badminton. I have even been to the Far East and witnessed the spectators foy myself, but I still think the game is a boring spectator sport...that's my opinion whether you like it or not.

Next time your Malasian fella tells you that the top players from Malaysia run 10 miles a day you can tell him he is talking nonsesne. Did he also tell you that you are a good player??

[gazz16]

yeah...sitting in a seat how fit
i dont see F1 drvers doing fitness test
i dont see f1 drivers running
i dont see f1 drivers doing **** all expet sitting in a seat
another point proven to show badminton is a better sport

i never see a proffeshional badminton player sitting down when having a match...do u? thought not ;)

[Phil McBride]

[QUOTE=gazz16]yeah...sitting in a seat how fit
i dont see F1 drvers doing fitness test
i dont see f1 drivers running
i dont see f1 drivers doing **** all expet sitting in a seat
another point proven to show badminton is a better sport

[QUOTE]

You only see this on race day! how many hours they put in training cannot be compared to the race itself, do swimmers only swim their alloted distance as on race day? Do runners only run their alloted distance as they do in races?

Because you don't see it, it does not happen - good one.

[kingpin]

Hey big phil, leave poor little gazz alone, he is un-wise. Would you see an F-1 driver doing a circuit after a race? i've seen a badminton player do an hour circuit after the world champs semi-final in the men's singles. I don't agree with this thread but I thought I'd make my voice heard. I didn't think about badminton during euro 2004 but how poor england were and that david beckham is not a top athlete.

[gazz16]

yeah phil......f1 drivers do 1hr exercising + they do a 4 mile jog b4 they enter there car n there warmed up

yeah they train....in there f1 car sitting on there ass .....doing circuits on there ass

yeah course f1 is alot fitter than badminton...........<-----u find that bit of joke of the day???

[Phil McBride]

Hey big phil, leave poor little gazz alone, he is un-wise.

Quite true

By the way Gaz what is a thick ass? I know what a fat ass is and a stupid ass but a thick ass? :confused:

And the reason you never see a pro sitting down during a match is if they did they would lose, the aim of the game if you are a pro is to win!

[pink panther]

Does anyone know what the most exciting final was in the 1992 Olympic Games for Badminton? Yes Badminton can be a very entertaining sport to watch and yes it can be the most boring sport to watch. Purely depends on the players that are playing!!! :) :mad:

[Phil McBride]

Got to remember if the venue is warm and dry the temperature will make you tired as well as watching the players, unless someone is sitting next to you with one of those portable fog horns :eek:

[eddykid]

Come on then Pinky,
Tell us brains of britain.....we are waitng.

[mrmagoo]

to be honest,i find watching 3 to 15/11 pretty boring.i much preferred 5 to7.faster, more attacking,more exciting,shorter.perfect for tv.no need to sit there for ages falling asleep during another clear-clear ladies rally.
mens singles was good to watch at 5 to7

the last exciting game i saw from an english singles person was peter knowles mopping up oliver pongratz.which was quite some time ago!

[Phil McBride]

to be honest,i find watching 3 to 15/11 pretty boring.i much preferred 5 to7.faster, more attacking,more exciting,shorter.perfect for tv.no need to sit there for ages falling asleep during another clear-clear ladies rally.
mens singles was good to watch at 5 to7

the last exciting game i saw from an english singles person was peter knowles mopping up oliver pongratz.which was quite some time ago!

I agree Mr M, there seemed more to lose in those shorter games and more emphasis on speed of win rather than the long slog of the 15 or 11.

[eddykid]

Agree,
But why not just scrap ladies doubles and singles then the world would be a better place.

You could still use the ladies to carry around boards between sets like in boxing....

I would go to see a match with Camila martin in a short skirt and a low cut top walking around....

Yeah Baby Yeah.....

[Admiral]

Mr Magoo, whatever you do please don't say that the game (best of 3 to 15) is boring...you will only open the hornets nest once again!

I agree with eddykid.....To compete with other sports we need to separate the mens and ladies game. Yes a few people might miss mixed doubles but hey it's for the good of the game long term. I cannot think of any other successful sport where both sexes play together, not on a regular basis....can you?

[mrmagoo]

i think a separate tour would be a success for the men but a disaster for the women.

at least the mens game is competitive and there could be many different winners.
who wants to watch chinese women "playing" against each other?

[Admiral]

Grover likes to watch chinese women playing with each other.

The women have held the game back long enough, it's time to start a mens circuit.

[pink panther]

Well not sure if any of you bothered to watch the Olympic Games finals in Barcelona but the Ladies Doubles was by far the most interesting game. The croud were doing the wave in this match as it was truly entertaining as the chinese pair were faulted at 13 - 13 in the 3rd set and then the Koreans went on to win. It was far better than any of the singles finals and also much more entertaining than the Mens or mixed doubles finals. I know this is not always the case but it was in Barcelona.
Actually another entertaining Ladies doubles was at the Commonwealth Games where the top seeds of Sankey/Miles(England) were playing Gallup/Muggeridge(Wales) The last set in this match was even shown live and interupted all the other sports. Has there been a mens match that has achieved this?

[Admiral]

I think the crowd were doing the wave to relieve the boredom and stretch their legs!

[mrmagoo]

must have been the athletisism of sankey/miles/muggeridge/gallup that made the match so "entertaining" :rolleyes:
but apart from that you have to go back 12 years to find a half decent ladies doubles match.
your not making much of a case for it.
by your calculations the next "interesting" ladies match will be in 2012.

oooh,i can't wait!quick get the bbc on the phone

[pink panther]

12 years ago! I am sure Clark, Gowers, Goode, Bradbury, Sankey etc would have something to say about that!!!!

[mrmagoo]

were they all there? can they still remember that far back?

[pink panther]

I seem to recall Jo Goode and Donna Kellogg winning the European championships not so long ago. That was not 12 years ago!! I suppose you will tell me that they are no good as well!!!

[southernmonkey]

Pink,
You are pulling our plonkers Right.

Ladies doubles, Interesting.

Christ geezer you haven't lived.

The monkey

[Phil McBride]

I seem to recall Jo Goode and Donna Kellogg winning the European championships not so long ago. That was not 12 years ago!! I suppose you will tell me that they are no good as well!!!

I don't think the debate is saying the ladies are no good, but just plain boring to watch :rolleyes:

Well let me see, do you think there will be anyone except Chinese in the final in Athens in the ladies doubles? I have actually fallen asleep watching the ladies doubles finals of a couple of major competitions this season on TV.

The sad thing is the comentary is almost as bad as the games, Why get Jo Goode and Darren Whatsit to commentate on Sky? Surely Sky must be making money since they keep raising the cost of my subscription every several months :mad:

[mrmagoo]

Pink,
You are pulling our plonkers Right.

Ladies doubles, Interesting.

Christ geezer you haven't lived.

The monkey

monkey,i've got a sneaking suspicion that pinky perky is a women.i can't believe any sane minded bloke would find womens doubles exciting especially when they go back 12 years to find a half decent one!

phil,your right,i can't see anything other than all chinese womens singles and doubles finals at athens.hopefully i'll have some paint to watch drying when its on

[kingpin]

Pink Pathetic must be a woman, first clue is the name-what bloke would call himself pink panther, second clue is the obsession with the ladies game-unless he's a bit of a perv then I would say pink pathetic is a woman.

Women's doubles and singles is BORING!! They have no good attacking shots so rallies go on and on. Men's game is far superior.

[pink panther]

So obviously none of you watched the 1992 Olympic finals as if you had of done then you would not be saying that Ladies doubles is boring! As for Kingprick I think thats a much better name for you!!

[mrmagoo]

why do you keep banging on about something that happened 12 years ago??! you can't base your arguments on a game sooo long ago.

you are aware that the year is 2004?have you been caught in a time lapse?

what your saying really is "remember when womens doubles was half interesting?it was 12 years ago"
do you not have anything more recent,like within the last decade?

i could say F1 is interesting,remember that race in the 70's? that means its interesting!! :rolleyes:

[Admiral]

The sooner the birds are kicked out the better! If the women were as good as the men then fair enough but they are a million miles away. For the good of the game it should make a success of the mens tour and then a womens tour can follow...you only have to look at golf / tennis / squash / you even have some chancers playing football now! I'm not saying that they shouldn't play the game but if badminton is to draw spectators away from other sports then the ladies matches have to go.

Sorry Pink but I have NEVER found a ladies doubles match interesting!

[southernmonkey]

Pink pantster,

I saw the olympic finals 92 and they were crap geezer.

Let me know what part of the thousands clears and drops that you saw was exciting geezer in that match.

It was only exciting at the start when the umpire got the names wrong but that was it Pantster.

So can we now stop banging on trying to convince the lot of us that womens badders is exciting.

Magoo, yeah you are right it does sound like a panzy.

The Legend called Monkey.

[Phil McBride]

Pink Pathetic must be a woman, first clue is the name-what bloke would call himself pink panther

A jewel thief

[pink panther]

You got it!!!